Are there Pentecostal/Charismatic M.Div Users of Logos 4.5 ?

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painfree | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:11 AM

I do  not really understand how these forums work  well enough to pose a question that the responses will be an answer to the question that is posed, namely..knowing whether there are others M. Div  users practicing a Pentecostal/Full Gospel  theology that use Logos 4.5

Perhaps another way of stating this would be..  If you have an M.Div degree and are Full Gospel/Pentecostal, do you use Logos 4.5?  or simply,  who in this forum is Pentecostal and has received their M. Div degree and REGULARLY uses Logos 4.5 and wants more Logos full gospel resources.

I really feel inadequate here but I am trying. Big Smile

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:17 AM

Peter Cellini:
Having a 2x4 in my inventory does not make me a Lumber yard.

But it does show that you do not have a bias against or aversion to wood products!

Logos do sell Pentecostal resources, all be it a limited number.

One reason that the numbers are limited is that many of the Pentecostal denominations have their own publishing departments and these do not currently have an agreement with Logos.

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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Robert J Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:20 AM

agreed, Todd. Thanks for keeping me on track.

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Robert J Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:23 AM

I do use 4.5 regularly (every day) and I am penetcostal with an M-DIV degree. Your question was perfectly adequate, some of us just got off topic. That seems to happen a lot around here.

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:29 AM

Graham Owen:

But it does show that you do not have a bias against or aversion to wood products!

Or, I may keep this one 2x4 in my inventory so that people come into my store and buy other stuff. I may just keep the 2x4 around so folks don't think I am against wood products.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:39 AM

Peter Cellini:

Robert Booth:
find no resources that contend with our systemic theology or what we Believe to be Truth.

I suggested that Logos produce Christadelphian resources (see suggestion area).

May be I should rephrase my statement. there is one; Grant

but what can I say.....

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:41 AM

painfree:
I do  not really understand how these forums work  well enough to pose a question that the responses will be an answer to the question that is posed,

Unfortunately we rarely miss out on the opportunity for a good debate based in a thread based on the question posed by the original poster.

But being serious for a moment, it looks like there are few or no users of the profile you seek here on the forums. I am not sure what percentage of Logos users are forum users and I am personally not aware of a forum frequented by M.Div users. I do know that my own denomination, when addressing areas relating to Pentecostal distinctives, has a bias towards materials published by our own publishing house and that these are not available in Logos (a situation that I would like to see change). For more general materials we use/recommend materials that would be broadly defined as Evangelical of the type readily available in Logos. We also tend to draw on older resources from a Holiness tradition that are also available.

From a personal perspective, the current perceived lack of Pentecostal and Charismatic resources is not a major issue. The works that are available are generally good ones and it helps that we also have a number of resources by Gordon Fee which are not actually tagged as Pentecostal so the number is actually higher than it seems.

There is no category for Charismatic on the Logos website but this is no real surprise as Charismatic is more of a cross Denominational movement than a Denomination and I would expect to find Charismatic authors represented in the various "Christian Groups" if I looked for them.

Are there any specific resources that you feel are missing?

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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Graham Owen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:48 AM

Peter Cellini:
I may just keep the 2x4 around so folks don't think I am against wood products.

Or you may just keep changing the parameters of the argument in the mistaken belief that if you have had the last word you have won the debate. Or maybe that's what I'm doing. Or maybe you lost when the real evidence was posted that refuted your hearsay evidence. Or maybe, just maybe, you even argue with yourself to practice!

God Bless

Graham

Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke

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Edwin Bowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:58 AM

painfree:

I do  not really understand how these forums work  well enough to pose a question that the responses will be an answer to the question that is posed, namely..knowing whether there are others M. Div  users practicing a Pentecostal/Full Gospel  theology that use Logos 4.5

Perhaps another way of stating this would be..  If you have an M.Div degree and are Full Gospel/Pentecostal, do you use Logos 4.5?  or simply,  who in this forum is Pentecostal and has received their M. Div degree and REGULARLY uses Logos 4.5 and wants more Logos full gospel resources.

I really feel inadequate here but I am trying. Big Smile

Welcome to the Forums.

Your question was posted on the Logos 4 Windows section of the Forum. There may be users that do not see this because they are Mac users.

General topics are best located on the GENERAL forum where all users are more likely to see them.

Logos has been publishing some titles in the last year from Gospel Publishing House (Assembly of God). Several Gordon Fee titles are avaialble on Logos.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 9:59 AM

Graham Owen:

Peter Cellini:
I may just keep the 2x4 around so folks don't think I am against wood products.

Or you may just keep changing the parameters of the argument in the mistaken belief that if you have had the last word you have won the debate. Or maybe that's what I'm doing. Or maybe you lost when the real evidence was posted that refuted your hearsay evidence. Or maybe, just maybe, you even argue with yourself to practice!

Graham,

 

It seems that now you are just attempting to pick a fight[this post and the previous]. This is highly rejectable on the forums, just be careful where you take this. It could get you removed.

We all have our differences, but this is about the software not what you want to push as what you believe. His post was honest, and in a searchable manner - so just let it go.......

If you can recommend other places he may acquire resources then by all means do so.......

 

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painfree | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 11:39 AM

Absolutely although I may be a bit prejudiced having had a small part in the writing of it..  "Renewal Theology: Systematic Theology from a Charismatic Perspective " by Dr. J. Rodman Williams

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Carl Sanders | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 2:06 PM

Though not personally Pentecostal, I agree we could use some more resources from that perspective. I've bought most of the available ones and have supported suggestions to add the J. Rodman Williams theology specifically. I'd love to have it in Logos! Of course I have a long list of other resources like that, too.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 2:45 PM

painfree:
I am really rather surprised that there are so few books included in the Logos Library that are of the Full Gospel/Charismatic viewpoint.

I'm intentionally skipping over the side-track discussions here.

One of the reasons that there are so few books from a Pentecostal perspective is that Pentecostals themselves have been a bit skeptical of academic-level Biblical research. Thankfully, that is changing. However, the vast majority of books coming from a charismatic/Pentecostal perspective are not research books (systematic theologies, Bible encyclopedias, commentaries, etc.). I'm thinking of authors like Bill Johnson, Graham Cooke, Jim Goll, Dutch Sheets, Jack Deere, etc. I have many of those kinds of books in my personal "dead tree" library, but I'm not sure how useful they'd be in Logos. They'd be great in Vyrso, though!

On the plus side there are some really good charismatic/Pentecostal resources in Logos, as some have already mentioned.(I have many, if not most of them, BTW.)

I am aware that there are more Pentecostals writing more research oriented material (Gordon Fee is an early and excellent example). I applaud this trend and want more!

If you have other specific suggestions that would help fill out Logos' offerings, I encourage you to put those suggestions in the Suggestions forum and contact both Logos and the publisher of the books you'd like to see in Logos.

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 22 2012 3:05 PM

painfree:
I would think there would be more of a presence in the offerings of Logos.

Getting back to the subject, Jack Hayford has been on Logos from the beginning (I think I have all his works), so there was an early presence in logos. One of the problems with Pentecaostal teaching, is that it hasn't been written in many cases, until of late, if you look at when Williams came out, it was about 1996, and the publisher was Zondervan. That publisher is just now coming onboard with Logos, so maybe your chances of getting that have increased.

I haven't seen or noticed that Logos was discriminating on that front, and highly doubt it.

 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 6:49 AM

Peter Cellini:
I know for a fact that some decion makers at Logos are against the Pentacostal movement (and its writers) and believes that it is harmful to Christianity

Brother, how do you know that for a fact?  What I know for a fact is that Christians of all persuasions should not make such a charge, and back it up with no facts.  Also, there was no need for you to imply that Catholicism is harmful to Christianity.  You can disagree with someone's doctrine and still treat them with respect.

Just my opinion but your post was most direspectful.  As someone who is NOT against the Pentecostal movement, I don't think your post is a very effective witness for it.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Danny Baskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 6:53 AM

This thread needs to go away.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 6:56 AM

Peter Cellini:
I know what I was told

I am not calling you a liar Peter.  But you "know for a fact" because someone told you?  I don't know anything for a fact because someone tells me something.  That was the first painful lesson that I learned as a pastor many years ago.

I just did not appreciate the tone of accusation in your post.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 7:01 AM

 

Michael Childs:
But you "know for a fact" because someone told you?

I will not reveal my source. Catholicism is dangerous to Christianity. You can believe what you want. 

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painfree | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 7:59 AM

Peter, Interesting you would say that as years ago I was visiting when I was off duty, an Italian Assemblies of God and if I ever any that were against the Church of Rome it was those who were former members of it and had trusted in Jesus and Him alone for salvation and had become actve members in the IAOG.

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 23 2012 8:07 AM

 

painfree:
were former members of it and had trusted in Jesus and Him alone for salvation

 

 

Those with eyes can see....Those with ears can hear....My sheep hear my voice....Amen!

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