4.5a: BUG: Problems with Text Comparison selecting a collection of Bibles

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 23 2012 8:40 PM | Locked

Two problems here.

First is a bug I'm pretty sure: the full title of a collection of Bibles that I have does not match in the dropdown list in Text Comparison (see screencast for a demonstration of this).

Second is a UI weirdness or design flaw. It seems you cannot get the item you type into the Resources box in the Text Comparison tool to "take" unless you click the blue arrow icon. Hitting Enter should be equivalent to clicking the blue arrow icon, but I try it repeatedly in the video below, and it doesn't do anything. At one point in the video, I see the focus highlight around the A icon for Show Differences, which would explain in that instance why Enter does nothing, but it does nothing even when the insertion point is clearly sitting there after whatever I'd typed in the Resources box.

Here's the screencast:

http://www.screencast.com/t/ylgFtIhBa

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2012 12:19 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
Second is a UI weirdness or design flaw. It seems you cannot get the item you type into the Resources box in the Text Comparison tool to "take" unless you click the blue arrow icon.

I can partially reproduce (with ESV, NIV) in a panel, where you have to enter twice. But it is OK in a floating window.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 24 2012 12:41 AM | Locked

Dave Hooton:

Rosie Perera:
Second is a UI weirdness or design flaw. It seems you cannot get the item you type into the Resources box in the Text Comparison tool to "take" unless you click the blue arrow icon.

I can partially reproduce (with ESV, NIV) in a panel, where you have to enter twice. But it is OK in a floating window.

Yup, I had noticed the latter before on another occasion but forgot to note the exception. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 11 2012 4:01 PM | Locked

With regard to the first issue, I have reproduced it and have passed this on to development. The second issue is by design. Thank you.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 12 2012 7:16 AM | Locked

Ann Boyles:
The second issue is by design

It would have been nice to have some "hint" at this "non-Windows" behaviour.

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 12 2012 11:53 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:
Hitting Enter should be equivalent to clicking the blue arrow icon, but I try it repeatedly in the video below, and it doesn't do anything.

I agree this is a problem.  If it's by design, then it's a most confusing design.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 12 2012 12:02 PM | Locked

It may be a bug. but from what I have done in the past I have always had to hit 'enter' twice, especially when choosing a different collection. It seems to go back to highlight the text, as if I want to change it. Also, when I type in a different set by choosing them, I still have to hit 'enter' twice and then again on the selected text. I always thought that was the 'how' in L4, never had to do this in L3.....whoda thunk it....

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 14 2012 2:21 PM | Locked

I'm going to give this another try, as I realize my previous answer was pretty unspecific. This is with regard to the second issue, not the first (the first has already been logged as a bug).

What I meant by "by design" is that you do have to hit "enter" twice in order to get to a resource, if the resource title has more than one possible match.

For example, if I type in "ESV", I have to hit "enter" twice because I have more than one possible title with "ESV" in it. The first "enter" selects/confirms "ESV" as my title, and the second "enter" runs the text comparison.

If I have a completely unambiguous title, such as the detailed full name of a collection that has no text matches with other titles, then I can type the full name and press enter once, and the text comparison is run. Another example is "NIV84": as my collection has no other titles containing that text, it is an exact match and I can press enter once and have it run the text comparison.

As to the discrepancy between the docked panel and the floating window, I was unable to reproduce that in build 4.5b SR-1. Are you still seeing this?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 14 2012 2:58 PM | Locked

Ann Boyles:
As to the discrepancy between the docked panel and the floating window, I was unable to reproduce that in build 4.5b SR-1. Are you still seeing this?

I was never witness to that discrepancy. Perhaps Dave Hooton could say whether he's still seeing it.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 14 2012 3:37 PM | Locked

Todd Phillips:

Rosie Perera:
Hitting Enter should be equivalent to clicking the blue arrow icon, but I try it repeatedly in the video below, and it doesn't do anything.

I agree this is a problem.  If it's by design, then it's a most confusing design.

Concur user interface design is confusing; seems Logos 4 on Mac and PC needs a keystroke (enter or tab) for confirmation.

Choosing or changing resource list for Text Comparison is a bit tricky: click item from drop down list, then press enter to confirm click, followed by blue arrow to compare text.

Seems Logos 4 has some confirmation checks (i.e. "Are you sure ?") that lack user visibility, which can be a bit perplexing to use.

Another example is editing a highlighting style name using Logos 4.5b SR-1 on Mac OS X, which needs a tab key to be pressed so can click save to keep name change (if forget to tab and click save, name edit is discarded).  On Windows 7, can edit style name, then click save.

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 16 2012 3:30 PM | Locked

I have passed along the confusion regarding the confirmation keystrokes to development. Thank you.

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 18 2012 11:33 AM | Locked

To follow up on the confirmation keystrokes issue: I have heard back, and this is indeed by design. Thank you.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 18 2012 4:17 PM | Locked

Ann Boyles:
To follow up on the confirmation keystrokes issue: I have heard back, and this is indeed by design. Thank you.

Please update Logos 4 Help file to document "invisible" confirmation keystroke design, which is needed to select resource(s) for a comma separated list:

Without using confirmation keystroke, choosing a resource from a drop down list tends to change list of resource(s) for Text Comparison, which is surprising to say the least (puzzling and perplexing also come to mind since a Bible resource chosen for 4th in list replaced 1st one in list, ...)

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 1:40 PM | Locked

We will look into the help file aspect. Thank you.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 22 2012 4:15 AM | Locked

Rosie Perera:

Ann Boyles:
As to the discrepancy between the docked panel and the floating window, I was unable to reproduce that in build 4.5b SR-1. Are you still seeing this?

I was never witness to that discrepancy. Perhaps Dave Hooton could say whether he's still seeing it.

It now behaves as described for an entry like NIV with a choice of bibles to be made - confirming with a click on the arrow icon (4.5c beta) or a second "return". It's fiddly, sometime requiring a third return.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 10:21 AM | Locked

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(puzzling and perplexing also come to mind since a Bible resource chosen for 4th in list replaced 1st one in list, ...)

This behaviour was definitely confusing - a little like "whack-a-mole" as never sure, if,or where, it would "take."

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Ann Boyles | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 2:11 PM | Locked

I am not able to reproduce this behavior on 4.5c Beta 2. Do you have a set of exact repro steps I could use to reproduce this behavior? Thank you.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 9:55 PM | Locked

Ann Boyles:

I am not able to reproduce this behavior on 4.5c Beta 2. Do you have a set of exact repro steps I could use to reproduce this behavior? Thank you.

Using Logos 4.5c Beta 2, opened Text Comparison, then choose Top Bibles plus one Bible:

Clicked after bible, then typed ",e"

Clicked ESV, which shows in list for comparison plus focus apparently changes to verse for selection:

Clicked Blue Arrow for verse, which shows focus change to list of resources for comparison:

Clicked Blue Arrow beside the list of resources, then wondered what happened to Top Bibles ?

The lack of a visible confirmation of resource list is perplexing and puzzling to use: not know what to expect when pressing <Enter> or clicking.  Often need many attempts to get verse(s) and resource(s) as desired for Text Comparison.

Personally tend to avoid Text Comparison tool use due to twitchy user interaction. Choosing a list of resources is consistently challenging because often a new choice causes an old one to disappear (e.g. "Top Bibles").  Have experienced a number of surprising list changes from clicks and/or <Enter>.  Please add visible clues so have some idea what's next when looking at tool.

For help update, please document how to consistently choice a list of three Resources: e.g. Top Bibles plus two more.  Hopefully same steps would work to add one more resource to the list.

Repeated same steps using Logos 4.5c Beta 2 on Mac OS X 10.6.8 so after clicking ESV, screen shows:

If press <return> OR <tab>, what happened to "Top Bibles" ?

If click verse, again what happened to "Top Bibles" ?

Apologies: using Logos 4.5c Beta 2 on Mac was unable to create a list with 3 resources (e.g. "Top Bibles" plus 2 Bibles) for Text Comparison (only could choose a list sync'd from PC).

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 26 2012 10:57 AM | Locked

SteveF:

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(puzzling and perplexing also come to mind since a Bible resource chosen for 4th in list replaced 1st one in list, ...)

This behaviour was definitely confusing - a little like "whack-a-mole" as never sure, if,or where, it would "take."

Related thread => Text Comparison Problem includes:

Ronald Quick:
When I type another version into the text comparison window and click the white arrow the new version is not added to the other versions I am comparing.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 26 2012 11:37 AM | Locked

As I am losing a 2-week battle with moles in my yard, I found the "whack a mole" phrase pretty funny.

Back to the point of the threat - I am not able to get a new version in the text comparison box to take even when I click on the blue / white arrow.  Sometimes it will work after several attempts and sometimes not.  I cannot find any consistent steps that will work every time.

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