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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 4:31 AM

Jim Crouch:
Noticed tonight that they have fixed the Gk and Heb word lookups

Jim Crouch:
BTW: how long has it been fixed?

Hi Jim

This is good news - but strange!

When Logos shipped the current version (0.9.4) it was noted specifically that this wasn't included! See discussion at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/44710/333252.aspx#333252

So I don't know whether it is totally fixed or not.

Graham

 

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mmaglaya | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 3:53 PM

I guess I'm going to have to wait! . . .Is the app on the Kindle Fire going to be the same as the App on an android tablet?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 3:58 PM

Hi Mmaglaya

For what are you waiting?

And yes, the app on the Fire is functionally the same as on the tablet.

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mmaglaya | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 4:28 PM

the supposedly new 9" kindle coming out later this year!

right?? i mean, one now would be cool, but i can wait. . . . .maybe... do you have a Fire, Graham??

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2012 11:28 PM

Hi MMaglaya

mmaglaya:
the supposedly new 9" kindle coming out later this year!

I understand now, I see you are responding to KS4J' answer to your earlier post.

When posting a reply, it can be useful to "quote" the post to which you are replying so that it is easier to keep track. Details of doing so are at http://wiki.logos.com/Using_the_Forum#Reply_post_editor

mmaglaya:
do you have a Fire, Graham??

No, I don't. Just a regular Android phone.

Graham

 

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Daniel Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2012 6:42 AM

mmaglaya:

the supposedly new 9" kindle coming out later this year!

right?? i mean, one now would be cool, but i can wait. . . . .maybe... do you have a Fire, Graham??

If there is a 9" kindle, which who knows at this point, it might be worth considering.  I really like my 8.9" galaxy tab.  It's a comfortable weight and size for portrait mode reading, as well as being big enough in landscape mode for web surfing and basic laptop replacement functions.  Especially when paired with a bluetooth keyboard and/or mouse.

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2012 9:59 AM
I would love to see Logos make the Android version a more versatile offline tool, as I don't have access to the web via my tablet much of the time. Two features that would be useful would be offline search and the ability to categorize resources. Anything else you would like to see?

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Sir Maru | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2012 6:00 PM

Tony Thomas:
I would love to see Logos make the Android version a more versatile offline tool, as I don't have access to the web via my tablet much of the time. Two features that would be useful would be offline search and the ability to categorize resources. Anything else you would like to see?

I second that request.  My Church only allows staff to access their network. Thus, Logos is useless now for me where I need it - in church.  Without offline search it simply cannot be used there at all on my Kindle Fire.

Also, many apps have released Kindle Fire Versions with special features not available in other tablets. Amazon is now pushing out their latest firmware release 6.3 which will have even more features which Logos could address.

 

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 7:22 PM

Well, it has been three months since the last Android update.  Can someone tell us what is going on behind the scenes?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 9:32 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

By the way, appears Android development is a bit more expensive than iOS so one game developer is abandoning Android due to lack of profitability => http://mikamobile.blogspot.in/2012/03/our-future-with-android.html

Keep Smiling Smile

Thanks that explains many of the issues very well, and while logos is not selling mobile apps at all, to make an APP covering most of the hardware out there is not as easy as one might hope. I would bet Logos could get their app out quicker if they focused on one device, but then while Kindle fire users might be jumping with joy,  many others might find it didn't run at all. I am the last one who should be talking about the virtue of patience but I can see it is no small task getting everything to run smoothly on the majority of  android configurations. As someone pointed out earlier it is better to get one thing done first. I believe Logos is likely focusing on basic usability and stability (on all targeted android devices). It will take a while but I am sure you will find it was worth the wait when all is said and done.

 

-Dan

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 2 2012 9:36 PM

Tony Thomas:
I would love to see Logos make the Android version a more versatile offline tool, as I don't have access to the web via my tablet much of the time. Two features that would be useful would be offline search and the ability to categorize resources. Anything else you would like to see?

Would be very nice & more power to you if you can get them to do this, as it might mean more robust offline options in the iOS universe too… so I will Yes this idea too...

 

-Dan

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2012 5:46 AM

Dan Francis:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

By the way, appears Android development is a bit more expensive than iOS so one game developer is abandoning Android due to lack of profitability => http://mikamobile.blogspot.in/2012/03/our-future-with-android.html

Thanks that explains many of the issues very well, and while logos is not selling mobile apps at all, to make an APP covering most of the hardware out there is not as easy as one might hope.

I'm sure app dev on Android is more difficult, since I've heard this from many developers who do it for both Android and iOS, I don't think the issues the gaming company cited has are applicable with the Logos app. It's graphically pretty straightforward app. I doubt they have to deal with all the problems a 3D gaming environment brings. The compatibility issues for multiple devices won't affect Logos nearly as much.

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 5 2012 2:49 PM

Bob Pritchett:

On the contrary, Android development has accelerated recently and in the past few months we've more than doubled staffing on the Android team.

I understand that you can't see inside our organization, but you could just ask "What's up with Android development?" instead of posting provocative headlines like "Android App Development Seems to Have Slowed to a Crawl." I understand that the "seems" gets you off the hook of making an untrue statement -- because technically it "seems" to you dev has slowed to a crawl, even though you have no data on which to base any statements about the development, which by its nature happens inside Logos and out of sight.

But provocative headlines do get your forum threads read... that's why I'm going to start one with the equally true (and disconnected from facts) headline "Logos Android users not ruled-out as suspects in flash mob crime spree." I mean, you haven't all been cleared, right? The police haven't announced arresting anyone else yet, right? It could have been you... I don't know it wasn't... Maybe there was a real-life "ice cream sandwich tablet" on display...

:-)

Okay, I'm being defensive... I know you just want the Android app, and we've not been delivering enough information. We'll keep trying:

We're on it. It's getting better every day. We have a team of 4-5 developers assigned specifically to Android (not counting all the shared code it uses from other devs/teams). Our primary Android targets are phones and the Kindle Fire, because Android hasn't made much market-share progress on tablets yet. (But we have many Android tablets on site and are working on them, too.)

The Android app is rapidly catching up and major new releases are coming shortly. The other "unannounced" products people think are stealing time from "the things I want done first" are actually built on the same code base. Yes, we're doing many things, but we're also making sure that everything we do "kills two birds with one stone." The net result of our recent efforts has been a doubling of the Android team, not a detraction from it.

By the way... for all those who said or agreed with "I think that it is better to complete one task before moving on to the next." -- is it alright with you if we stop all Android development and move those developers back to working on Logos 4 for the Mac desktop? Or fixing Logos 4 Windows issues? Or working on Proclaim? As a matter of principle? Because there were no Android tablets or Kindle Fire when we released those products and promised updates...

:-)


Thank you for the update Bob. I have an iPad (version 1 WiFi only), but I want to get my own phone since my employer will shut down in the coming months and I don't want to keep the ages old BlackBerry. I waffle between an iPhone 5 when it arrives and the Samsung Galaxy Note (available now). I am confident after reading your post that the Logos Android app will be satisfactory for my intended use on the Galaxy (the iPAd will still be my primary mobile Logos device), so I am leaning in that direction.

And I can sure appreciate what you must feel about some of the derogatory posts. I've faced the same challenges as a data warehouse developer/manager/administrator for 15 years. There's always somebody expressing their frustration at being underserved by spreading speculative gossip instead of asking direct questions with an open mind.

Have a great Easter season, and send the same greetings to the whole Logos team for me.

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Stephen Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 8 2012 6:53 PM

I will chime in on this.  Having developed the same application for android, iphone and most recently windows phone 7 I would say that development for iOS is MORE expensive and difficult than the others. 

For one, you can only develop iOS apps on a Mac, a rather expensive piece of hardware considering the cost of a comparable PC.  Secondly, Xcode, bleck.  I have much experience with C++ but Apples version, XCode, just seems harder than it should be.  I am sure a lot of this was unfamiliarity with the dev environment and the unique aspects of the language. 

Android, is Java based and can be developed with open source tools, ie - cheaply.  The Davlik VM is different than the standard Java VM but enough similiarity is there.  Framework is of course different as well.

Windows Phone 7, XAML and SIlverlight.  Painful.  Free tools, alhough limited.  Really bad documentation. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 8 2012 8:11 PM

Stephen Smith:
I have much experience with C++

Logos is hiring: http://www.logos.com/about/careers has => Software Developer with choice of work location: Bellingham, WA or Phoenix, AZ.

Keep Smiling Smile

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 9 2012 12:11 AM

We live in a instant society.. but being a developer I know some solutions are not instant, and quick fixes usually come back to haunt you.. and take more time to put right

Whilst I am champing at the bit for a new update, I would rather they get it right first time, than them making it worse in the long term.. and burying us in patches/updates

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Nelson R. Pardee | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 27 2012 9:19 PM

BTW, more developers are NOT necessarily better. It depends if you have parallel tasks; if not, they just trip over each other. It's also worth noting that the most productive programmers are many times (perhaps 10) more productive than average programmers.

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 30 2012 3:22 PM

Glad that 1.0 Beta 1 has been released!

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/48972.aspx

That's what I'm talking about!  Big Smile

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Ron Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 22 2012 4:10 PM

No matter how mad your customers' comments make you, there is a certain amount of tactfulness that should be exhibited in order to remain professional. I know it is easy to let emotions pour out in posts when they are hot out of the oven especially if you are replying to unfounded statements. All I am saying is take a break before replying and think about how your customers will perceive your posts. Just trying to help. 

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Chris Martin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 22 2012 4:54 PM

Hi Ron,

Did you mean to post this comment on this thread? I looked back and didn't see any previous posts from you over the last three pages (I might have missed it, in which case I apologize). I only make this comment since this thread seemed to get a little testy a while back, and I would hate to see fresh powder and a new fuse stuck back in this particular keg unnecessarily.

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