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Room4more | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 16 2012 8:34 PM

I made two videos of the Notes section of the Biblia.com and how they integrate with F-Life.

I point out what some of us think might be an error in the systems linkage, we dunno/?

You the developers and of course Bob, have a look see and PLEASE inform us - we are aware that this is a BETA, so maybe this will help, again - I dunno/? [I am just a befuddled user of L4]

1-How_to_NOTES

2-How_to_Notes

okay thanks for allowing us to peruse the new thingamabob.....Stick out tongue

Thanks

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 9:03 PM

Thanks for the demonstration - as you can see it's a bit hard to do in Firefox as there is no dropdown box on the left. It's a lot easier with IE or Chrome  Big Smile

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 9:16 PM

ok gimme a sec and i will load up and have a look see...

ok yeah thats right... I think it was Mick that attempted to use fire-fox and it wouldn't show anything...He may be lurking about.....yo Mick..

I did try IE8 but the text was jumbled in certain areas, then I used Chrome. It would be nice if the techies to figure out a good cross-platform that would work../?

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 9:27 PM

You could upgrade to IE9 which is what I have installed, it seems to work OK.

I have spent a big chunk of the day trying to figure out where these notes were on Biblia that you have been talking about, as soon as I saw your video the light came on and it dawned on me why I was having such a big problem. As soon as I fired up IE and Chrome I could see what you were talking about (literally!)

Maybe it will work in Firefox 11 which is supposed to be released any minute now.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 9:30 PM

David Carter:

You could upgrade to IE9 which is what I have installed, it seems to work OK.

I have spent a big chunk of the day trying to figure out where these notes were on Biblia that you have been talking about, as soon as I saw your video the light came on and it dawned on me why I was having such a big problem. As soon as I fired up IE and Chrome I could see what you were talking about (literally!)

Maybe it will work in Firefox 11 which is supposed to be released any minute now.

Thanks. I am glad that they helped to clarify some things...Wink

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David Beard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 9:53 PM

Room4more:

 

Watched both of these and they duplicated the same results I got.  I'm with you--seems like the Notes 1 video is the way they want it to go--a little more intuitive...thanks for the videos

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2012 11:09 PM

I don't think there is a linkage error. The notes are linked to Scripture reference, not translation. This makes sense because they are notes we share. This way a community/group member could see someone else's notes on Philemon 1:17 for example, regardless if they are using the LEB or ESV.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 5:00 AM

Philana Crouch:

I don't think there is a linkage error. The notes are linked to Scripture reference, not translation. This makes sense because they are notes we share. This way a community/group member could see someone else's notes on Philemon 1:17 for example, regardless if they are using the LEB or ESV.

Thats almost persuadable to the point of being real. But if that be the case, then why would there be a need - any need at all - to have a drop menu to associate the note with a group - any group - public or private - ?

Just make the note and be done with it - no need to be specific as to whom it is directed, like with using the 'share'.

Yes I agree, that others can see the note, which to me again speaks against the need for a group specific driven menu, especially when your note is visable openly - anyway! Somehow it just sticks in my mind that this is redundant programming. It is hard to see the benefit when I do one process and see no results - needless to say the final destination of the group specifics -vs- the process of the 'share' and the results it brings.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 6:07 AM

Room4more:

Philana Crouch:

I don't think there is a linkage error. The notes are linked to Scripture reference, not translation. This makes sense because they are notes we share. This way a community/group member could see someone else's notes on Philemon 1:17 for example, regardless if they are using the LEB or ESV.

 

Thats almost persuadable to the point of being real. But if that be the case, then why would there be a need - any need at all - to have a drop menu to associate the note with a group - any group - public or private - ?

So you can do your group bible study on James and add your notes to it (the share-functionality does not leave notes in biblia, but brings the cited text over to the group discussion). You'll have your Christadelphian notes on it, and won't even see that there is a greek-orthodox group that has their own notes to the same text.

I think it makes sense and I don't see the biblia-notes as broken or somewhat. One's bible-notes, the other sharing of bible-text for the group.

Thanks again for the videos! Great stuff!

Btw: if you link the two panels, the bibles will scoll along

 

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 8:45 AM

NB.Mick:

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Lets test that…..I see that you already have made a note[James 4:3] with some text, let’s use the same verse….

 Here's the video:

3-How_to_NOTES

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:17 AM

Room4more:

NB.Mick:

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Lets test that…..I see that you already have made a note[James 4:3] with some text, let’s use the same verse….

 Here's the video:

3-How_to_NOTES

 

the point is that you are a member of both Christadelphian and FPC groups. I can't see your FPC note as I'm not a member of FPC group. And those here who are not members of Christadelphian shouldn't be able to see my note.

 

EDIT: to prove this to you, I set up a new group and posted a note to James 4:3 on biblia (I think it no longer matters which bible versiojn there) and - inadvertently - on James 3:1 as well. If this works as I think it should, you won't be able to see those.   

 

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:24 AM

Mick I deleted it after I made the vid...but give me a few minutes and I will put it back on.....and leave it for an hour...

it says: this is note 2 - fpc        - its there now make a screen shot and post it here..

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:29 AM

Room4more:

Mick I deleted it after I made the vid...but give me a few minutes and I will put it back on.....and leave it for an hour...

it says: this is note 2 - fpc        - its there now make a screen shot and post it here..

okay. Or you try to see my new notes on James 4:3 and James 3:1

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:38 AM

Mick I do not see where anything change on 4.3;

  1. and I do not see anything of 3.1, is that the correct verse?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:50 AM

Room4more:

Mick I do not see where anything change on 4.3;

  1. and I do not see anything of 3.1, is that the correct verse?

That's exactly working as intended. 

Show me yours (your screenshot), I 'll show you mine: 

Green: we both are in group Christadelphian, therefore we both see this. Red: you are not in group "Logos Users Germany", so you can't see this (everything else would be a severe bug wiping Bob's idea of putting bible study to the 'web!), but you should have your own note in the FPC group where I put the blue box. I can't see this and that's okay so!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:08 AM

This screenshot is about 10 minutes new.[ so if you came up with a way then post it so we will all know, because I have not found a way...Thanks.]

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:15 AM

Yo mick, u just created that group!!!!! and from what I can tell its private,,,so I dunno if that qualifies......thats questionable!! Hmm

ok i have to go,,,gone for the afternoon....but thanks.

LTR......Big Smile

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:18 AM

Room4more:
This screenshot is about 10 minutes new.[ so if you came up with a way then post it so we will all know, because I have not found a way...Thanks.]

Thanks for sharing. But I don't understand your question about "a way" - your screenshot and mine together show that biblia works as (imho) intended: Users can put up bible notes visible for people belonging to a group the user chooses. They can see the notes of all groups they belong to, but - rightly so! - can't see the notes of other groups.

EDIT: after seeing your remark about the "private" group: The privacy-status of the group doesn't matter, it's membership. The FPC group is open and yet I don't see your note that was intended for that group. If I joined, I would. And if I leave, I cease seeing those notes.  

EDIT 2: I just changed the group to "open". You may try joining, looking at James 3:1 and leaving it, F-5 and looking again. 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:37 AM

joined left f5 joined left f5 joined ---see notes for 3.1 or 4.3.

okay the note is tied to the group: if its "PRIVATE" no one sees the note granted. But not everyone is going to have a "PRIVATE" group, but granted there will be some...thats alot to do just to hide a note.....still seems redundant..thanks for sharing.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:45 AM

Room,

think it the other way round: when hundreds of groups are using this, the notes must be tied to the groups, otherwise there's chaos.

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