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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 10:57 AM

Room4more:

okay the note is tied to the group: if its "PRIVATE" no one sees the note granted. But not everyone is going to have a "PRIVATE" group, but granted there will be some...thats alot to do just to hide a note.....still seems redundant..thanks for sharing.

Robert, as Mick says, I don't really think you are thinking this through....you are just looking at Faithlife through the eyes of a few testers, what you really need to do is to think of what it will be like with thousands of users, many of whom (in some cases possibly the majority) do not share the same views as you on certain passages of scripture.

If we could all see everybody's notes there would be a riot! Just think of Matthew 16:18 or Matthew 26:26 for example

 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 11:36 AM

David Carter:

Robert, as Mick says, I don't really think you are thinking this through....you are just looking at Faithlife through the eyes of a few testers, what you really need to do is to think of what it will be like with thousands of users, many of whom (in some cases possibly the majority) do not share the same views as you on certain passages of scripture.

If we could all see everybody's notes there would be a riot! Just think of Matthew 16:18 or Matthew 26:26 for example 

I got time for a brief one...

Thanks for the comment, but I think that I got more of a grasp on this than you might feeblely think you have.

In all seriousness, it comments like your that would want Followers of the True Faith like ours to make the Group Private/Invite only. Just so that the wolves don't creep in promoting 'essential orthodoxy' without possibly having the slightest clue of what they are saying, or even possibly have an idea of what they are promoting. But, I can overlook your comment since that is not what we are doing - IS it?

We are using the beta and posting accordingly - thoughts, suggestions, etc., etc. So if my vid's or comments or suggestion offend you - well I am sorry. Please do not take them personally. -OR- if you preferr I will remove them.....just let me know.

Thanks.

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 11:45 AM

Room4more:

David Carter:

Robert, as Mick says, I don't really think you are thinking this through....you are just looking at Faithlife through the eyes of a few testers, what you really need to do is to think of what it will be like with thousands of users, many of whom (in some cases possibly the majority) do not share the same views as you on certain passages of scripture.

If we could all see everybody's notes there would be a riot! Just think of Matthew 16:18 or Matthew 26:26 for example 

 

I got time for a brief one...

Thanks for the comment, but I think that I got more of a grasp on this than you might feeblely think you have.

In all seriousness, it comments like your that would want Followers of the True Faith like ours to make the Group Private/Invite only. Just so that the wolves don't creep in promoting 'essential orthodoxy' without possibly having the slightest clue of what they are saying, or even possibly have an idea of what they are promoting. But, I can overlook your comment since that is not what we are doing - IS it?

We are using the beta and posting accordingly - thoughts, suggestions, etc., etc. So if my vid's or comments or suggestion offend you - well I am sorry. Please do not take them personally. -OR- if you preferr I will remove them.....just let me know.

Thanks.

Wow Surprise

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 1:47 PM

Room4more:
I got time for a brief one...

R4M, the language you are using appears to the listener (specifically me) to be "itching for a fight". Unfortunately, I don't understand your motives and so it makes it hard for me to understand what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say that you want all your notes visible to the 1,000,000 or so users of Logos? If so, I need to know why I would want to see your notes. They'd have to have enough value to me for it to not be a waste of my time to scroll through them to the notes that actually come from users I am collaborating with. For myself, orthodoxy is not the issue, fitting into the topic of collaboration is.

However, I think there is another side to this sharing which might be the direction you are thinking. This same mechanism may be how we share note files and PB that we do want to share with 1,000,000 users. Those would not need to be limited to a group but would be a "share all" sort of thing. However, here Logos would have to provide me with tools so sort through the heap and pull up resources that would be of interest to me. I have severely limited time (a mere 24 hours a day) and there is so much out there worth reading that I limit myself to topics that interest me - lectionaries do, millennial theology does not; history of interpretation does, pastoral management does not ...

This appears to have been an accidental beta, Bob's decision after too many accidental leaks. As it is very multiplatform and integrated, let's give Logos a bit of time to make sure all the pieces are in place and that we can see the larger picture of what they are trying to achieve. Your input is important.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 4:28 PM

You’re right MJ, what was I thinking.

It only takes one who thinks that they need to keep their hat on – and ruin it.

Consider the post of NOTES now defunct. Ya'll go ahead....

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 5:38 PM

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 5:44 PM

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 6:12 PM

David Carter:

quote user="MJ. Smith"]

David, Please don’t call yourself an idiot. Well at least not publicly. Let us just think it, but thanks for letting us know.

MJ, I am not sure what fallacy's you may be having problems with, but I am sure that we could sit down and I could explain many to you...sometime when it is appropriate. Thanks for letting us know that they exist for you.

[edit: possibly after the beta is done and there is a full release we can go to a quiet place and I can be of help for you two. Thanks again for the info..]

 

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 7:06 PM

Room4more:
MJ, I am not sure what fallacy's you may be having problems with,

I had merely identified a fallacy in the post immediately preceding mine.Angel

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 7:13 PM

MJ. Smith:

Room4more:
MJ, I am not sure what fallacy's you may be having problems with,

I had merely identified a fallacy in the post immediately preceding mine.Angel

Oh praytell what could that possibly be? [Someting to do with the origination of the tread I hope]

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 7:40 PM

nm

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:19 PM

NB.Mick:

Room,

think it the other way round: when hundreds of groups are using this, the notes must be tied to the groups, otherwise there's chaos.

 

While I was out I made a few calls to some other preachers of other denominations that I know of. Now concerning the notes issue no one would care to read notes from another faith and yes it would be rather chaotic to do so I agree. But then how many use Biblia - not many from those that I talked to, some did not even know of it's existence. It appears that some use their own setup, and most accurately, their own forum(s).

Now in regards to Logos[HQ], they are embarking, from my experience, on the very thing that others have hope for for yrs, especially when I briefly discussed it with those I called. They have, or are attempting to have, an online bible/forum/personal bible program all integrated into one platform experience. This allows it's user, professionally and personally, to intermingle locally and broadly, limiting the time it would take to socialize/gather in person, or schedule a meeting, formally or informally.

With HQ's possible[potential] release of L5, which may or may not incorporate the total package of cross-platform migration, this may soon become a reality that will make them a Tier1 Bible package. The only other group that I am aware of that is attempting this is ???[sorry can't tell ya].

Yes, I agree the notes would have to be tied to the group per se, but as you demonstrated that note as with the group would have to be in a private manner. Now how many are going to make their group private, when the purpose, or apparent purpose, is an open forum?

Not every group is going to be closed –or- private are they?, if we say yes then we are merely speculating based on limited knowledge…many will be open to the general populous[again speculation].

If F-life is solely invite only, or the vast majority are closed or private, then what is the purpose of it’s existence - -Private Christians? OHH WOW!! Wouldn’t that just make God proud……

I do not think that that is the intention of HQ, but then again I could be wrong............

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2012 9:44 PM

Room4more:
If F-life is solely invite only, or the vast majority are closed or private, then what is the purpose of it’s existence

Faithlife is community oriented. There are already lots of ways to share publicly -- Twitter, Facebook, and many others. And if you want to be public on Faithlife, you can be -- set your privacy settings to "Everyone" and post to My Faithlife, which anyone can see on your page if you allow.

There are even public shared notes systems, like YouVersion, and the previous generation of eBible. Our observation, though, is that people want and need to share within specific communities. Sometimes for privacy -- you may not want to share your Bible study notes for the "Something Addicts Recovery Group" with the whole world -- and sometimes just for logistical reasons: I want to see my 200 person church's notes on the passage the pastor is preaching this week, without the clutter of devotional observations from thousands of people I don't know.

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 18 2012 5:34 AM

Bob, I would agree. And, out of the 585 who have view'd F-life beta, if 85% who have view'd the supplied video's on the notes and how to used them, now have more of an understanding of how to better use Biblia and have a better understanding of the internal functional relationship between Biblia and Faithlife.

So yes, they can share openly[publicly] and if so choose privately, based on the group settings.

Thanks.

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