I haven't researched much in the topic of Islam, but have recently been asked questions by a Muslim on "our" views on Mohammed, etc. After just moving to a new city with a large Muslim minority, I think I might want to have some general answers to at least have productive discussions when asked these types of questions. These two items on CP stood out to me.
http://www.logos.com/product/16300/islamic-studies-collection
http://www.logos.com/product/16423/the-works-of-samuel-m-zwemer
Since I would rather spend something in the neighborhood of $30 rather than $60 (the cost of both), I don't know which would be better. On the other hand one good resource (not listed) may be all that I have time to go through on this subject. I have more interactions with the "Post-Christian" or "nominal Christian" worldview, and that is more of a focus for me.
I also know that even after a CP resource closes, it could take forever to be produced. The one that closes next week is 4200 pgs, that has to take some time from bidding to delivery.
Any recommendations?
Johann:have recently been asked questions by a Muslim on "our" views on Mohammed, etc.
Hi Johann
I have bids on both of these collections but I think it is important to remember these are quite old and come from a period when Islam, like Christianity, had a different profile as a world and political as well as religious view/force.
As for "our view" that is as different as "we" are, in my congregation here in the UK we see a number of different views about the growth of Islam some of them very misinformed and some of them extremely tolerant and understanding. It is worth getting material from different points of view Christian, Muslim and "Independent" if such a thing exists. Mohammed is a widely documented historical character but it can be difficult to find the "real" person behind the extremes portrayed by Muslim and Christian writers.
Logos have - Geisler, Norman L., and Abdul Saleeb. Answering Islam: The Crescent in Light of the Cross. 2nd ed. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2002. a more recent Christian view of Islam again this does not speak for all Christians and will not necesarily reflect what Islam teaches. Having spent time with a number of Muslims I can personally confirm that they are as diverse and divided in their beliefs as Christians are...
For an "independent" view I think "The Modern Scholar: Judaism, Christinanity and Islam" an audio book available at http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Scholar-Judaism-Christinanity/dp/B001EBHFF2/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333185576&sr=1-1 provides some useful context. I am sure that from the analysis of Christianity in this book you will appreciate that the information on the other two faiths is a characterisation of a specific view within that faith but it does give you a start point for comparison of the monotheistic faiths.
Finally do not underestimate the power of "your view" rather than "our view" I recommend the article here (http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2009/spring/ministrylessonsfromamuslim.html) which offers an insight to how we as Christians best engage with Muslims.
Hope this helps.
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
I have no idea how good they are, but you can get 2 English Quran translations for the unbeatable price of $0 by ordering the free Perseus Arabic Collection (4 vols.).
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You might check out Michael Youseff in Atlanta. He is a Christian pastor, born in Egypt. His ministry in Leading the Way. Some very excellent material.
Thanks for the recommendations. I had already downloaded the Perseus package for the free Quran translations. For me it is less important to find the real historical Mohammed, but an understanding of the Muslim view of Mohammed. What I'm looking for is my view of the general Muslim view and how that is incompatible with what I believe. "We" was in quotes for a reason :)
After thinking about it more and reading descriptions of the works in the Zwemer Collection, I'm bidding. I'm mainly interested in these titles:
The purpose of these works are in the direction I'm looking for. On the other hand I do realize they are 100 years old. I'm actually not looking for high-level apologetics material as much as just trying to see where someone is coming from, and I'm not looking for a debating strategy.
Thanks again.
Johann:...just trying to see where someone is coming from, and I'm not looking for a debating strategy.
In which case you might try "Islam for Dummies"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Islam-For-Dummies-Malcolm-Clark/dp/0764555030/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333375380&sr=8-1
Graham Owen:but I think it is important to remember these are quite old and come from a period when Islam, like Christianity, had a different profile as a world and political as well as religious view/force.
I may get corrected by others who live among the Muslim communities but I do not believe Islamic beliefs are quite as fluid as modern Christianity. They seem to actually believe their book. I am aware of a few Muslim scholars who espouse equality of women and acceptance of homosexuality. But they tend to have a fatwa hanging over their head.
I have bids in for both CP resources and think they will be very relevant for interacting with today's Muslms. ($60 for the both is a steal!)
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Johann: I'm actually not looking for high-level apologetics material as much as just trying to see where someone is coming from, and I'm not looking for a debating strategy.
I don't want to box you in where you don't belong but does this mean you consider yourself a student of theology rather than a theologian in training? I read theology to try to understand others. I study the Bible to better understand God.
Super Tramp:...I do not believe Islamic beliefs are quite as fluid as modern Christianity
In my experience Muslims cover the same spectrum as Christians from fundamentalist to nominal with lots of stops in between, I would agree that the core beliefs of Islam remain unchanged but then I would also argue that the same is true about Christianity, the change is the way that people relate to those beliefs.
Super Tramp:I have bids in for both CP resources and think they will be very relevant for interacting with today's Muslms
I have also bid and see these as a potential aid in understanding Islam.
I'm actually not looking for high-level apologetics material as much as just trying to see where someone is coming from, and I'm not looking for a debating strategy.
You might try a free PDF that I found, entitled "What Is Islam?", written by a Muslim. I haven't read it yet, but from flicking through it looks like it would answer a lot of questions non-Muslims have about Islam. Well, from the perspective of one guy, anyway. The link is here: www.islamhouse.com/pr/90759
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Super Tramp: Johann: I'm actually not looking for high-level apologetics material as much as just trying to see where someone is coming from, and I'm not looking for a debating strategy. I don't want to box you in where you don't belong but does this mean you consider yourself a student of theology rather than a theologian in training? I read theology to try to understand others. I study the Bible to better understand God.
What I was trying to avoid saying was that modern apologetics books that I have read haven't been useful for me. I wanted to avoid saying this because I know writers like Geisler are seen as a help for many. I read his "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" and don't care to read anymore in this genre. I found the people he was answering weren't the people I was meeting. Not just Norm Geisler, but many like him. They are in one circle being a faithful witness to Christ, I seem to be in another.
Am I a student of theology or a theologian in training? I don't know, sorry to dodge the question. I'm a cross-cultural witness, who hopes to never tire of studying Scripture or the application of it. I'm not planning on having any theological titles (or theological degrees for that matter), but I enjoy study. I doubt I'll ever write a book, but I'm trying to make disciples who I hope have a good theological base to compliment a love for Christ.
Bethany Wilson:You might try a free PDF that I found, entitled "What Is Islam?
I'll check it out. Thanks for the link.
Johann:Am I a student of theology or a theologian in training? I don't know, sorry to dodge the question.
Johann:What I was trying to avoid saying was that modern apologetics books that I have read haven't been useful for me.
Johann,
If you like, feel free to email me and I can send you some links and information that might be helpful for you. Here is my email address. Just put it all together.
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Johann, I find Parshall helpful, ditto Vivienne Stacy, pdfs free on St Francis magazine (but beware - the homepage has been hacked - my attempt to contact them led me to a page of info about viagra, which obviously didn't originate from interserve! But I did succeed in downloading genuine pdfs from them!