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DavidS | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Apr 15 2012 7:10 PM

The Green price or the current price that is the highest for this collection is $50. It is also the lowest possible bid. Is there a reason that there are no bids available below this?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 7:17 PM

Probably because when they looked at the actual cost to produce this enormous collection of journals, they figured there would need to be so many bidders at $50 that it would never go over the top at that level, let alone at any lower price. There's some discussion of this with input from Logos employee Kent Hendricks on this thread.

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DavidS | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 7:21 PM

Thanks Rosie I hadn't seen this. Embarrassed

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 7:23 PM

Ud Laugh 2:
Is there a reason that there are no bids available below this?

Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it. The reason is that when Logos looks at the production cost, they consider how many users would have to bid at various price points to cover costs. The price points represent the company's desire to see the resource go into publication within a reasonable time frame. A $25 price point would require twice as many bidders as $50.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 15 2012 11:08 PM

alabama24:
Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it.

On this occasion I doubt it just because of the sheer size of the material - 443 issues.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 5:25 AM

Ted Hans:

alabama24:
Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it.

On this occasion I doubt it just because of the sheer size of the material - 443 issues.

The 443 issues have over 82,000 pages, which is substantially more than 12,448 pages in Classic Commentaries and Studies on Revelation (27 vols.)

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C Devin Chaulk | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 5:48 AM

alabama24:

Ud Laugh 2:
Is there a reason that there are no bids available below this?

Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it. The reason is that when Logos looks at the production cost, they consider how many users would have to bid at various price points to cover costs. The price points represent the company's desire to see the resource go into publication within a reasonable time frame. A $25 price point would require twice as many bidders as $50.

In light of this, I would like to encourage people to consider raising their bids to $100. At $50, I fear that this will never reach production. I'd rather pay $100 to see it go to production within 6 months, than to pay $50 and wait 2-3 years when enough people FINALLY trickle in. I'm just not confident that there are enough people to push this into production at $50.

Of course, all of this is conjecture. I don't actually know how much Logos has set production at, or how many users usually bid in CP (of course this varies greatly depending on the resource I'm sure), so I really have no idea whether or not production at $50 is reasonable/plausible. I just wonder since this set has produced quite a lot of interest (at least on the forums), and yet not a lot of movement (still below 20% at $50). Do we need to get real and raise our bids? Maybe. Could all this be erroneous? That is a distinct possibility.

Can anyone else weigh in?

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 5:54 AM

C Devin Chaulk:
Can anyone else weigh in?

See this thread, Logos have already weighed in http://community.logos.com/forums/p/47093/350955.aspx#350955

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/47093/351036.aspx#351036

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/47093/351183.aspx#351183

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 6:04 AM

C Devin Chaulk:
I'd rather pay $100 to see it go to production within 6 months, than to pay $50 and wait 2-3 years when enough people FINALLY trickle in.
I can wait.

KS4J keeps reminding us of the number of pages each resource has, and that the number of pages should affect the cost.  For Logos, I agree.  For the consumer, I slightly agree.  For me, what is on the pages is by far more important than the number of pages.  All of these journals are very old; most of them are older than 100 years.  For me, ten cents an issue is about all I will pay because what is on the pages is sooooooooooooooo old. 

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Fab | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 6:17 AM

How is it the Spurgeon collection (more than $2000 at retail) is already half way to production cost at $80 and that the Princeton Theological Review ($1000 retail) is only 10% progress to production cost? Are there SO many more bidders for the Spurgeon Collection?

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 6:39 AM

C Devin Chaulk:

alabama24:

Ud Laugh 2:
Is there a reason that there are no bids available below this?

Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it. The reason is that when Logos looks at the production cost, they consider how many users would have to bid at various price points to cover costs. The price points represent the company's desire to see the resource go into publication within a reasonable time frame. A $25 price point would require twice as many bidders as $50.

In light of this, I would like to encourage people to consider raising their bids to $100. At $50, I fear that this will never reach production. I'd rather pay $100 to see it go to production within 6 months, than to pay $50 and wait 2-3 years when enough people FINALLY trickle in. I'm just not confident that there are enough people to push this into production at $50.

I agree with your thought, but even $100 seems low to me. I think $150-$200 would be more in line with the cost required to get this massive library into Logos.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 7:19 AM

tom collinge:
For me, what is on the pages is by far more important than the number of pages.  All of these journals are very old; most of them are older than 100 years.  For me, ten cents an issue is about all I will pay because what is on the pages is sooooooooooooooo old. 

Likewise concur page content is more important for determining personal value of resource(s).

Observation: Orthodoxy by G. K. Chesterton was published in 1908, which is included in Catholic Library Builder (238 vols.) that has a conclusion worth considering.

The "newest" volume in The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (58 vols.) was published in 1922 (~ 90 years ago); many volumes are older.   After reading a number of entries, am coming to a similar conclusion as BillS => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/48338/358456.aspx#358456 so have prioritized this series as my # 2 commentary.  My favorite commentary series => UBS New Testament Handbook Series and => UBS Old Testament Handbook Series is newer.

Personally Thankful for many old resources in my Logos library, which can be read and quickly searched when studying.  My bid for http://www.logos.com/product/17817/princeton-theological-review is much higher than $ 50

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 7:53 AM

Fabrice de Almeida:
How is it the Spurgeon collection (more than $2000 at retail) is already half way to production cost at $80 and that the Princeton Theological Review ($1000 retail) is only 10% progress to production cost? Are there SO many more bidders for the Spurgeon Collection?

 

  1. In my opinion, yes, there are that many more bidders for spurgeon.
  2. The Princeton collection is "from scratch." Spurgeon is not.
  3. Sometimes Logos just updates resources. CP on this is a way to cover some of those costs.

 

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DavidS | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 8:13 AM
Ted Hans:

alabama24:
Yes, but that doesn't meant Logos can't /won't change it.

On this occasion I doubt it just because of the sheer size of the material - 443 issues.

I wonder if they broke it up in chunks if it make it easier to bring it to production. When you look at the product on the web site it does not pop out how huge it is!
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Evan Boardman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 8:24 AM

I think Logos should split this collection up. People bid the same prices for a 400 volume set as they do for a 1 volume.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 8:31 AM

Evan Boardman:

I think Logos should split this collection up. People bid the same prices for a 400 volume set as the do for a 1 volume.

Not a bad idea… but it might not be beneficial to offer them at the same time in CP. What do you think?

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Wayne | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 16 2012 9:15 AM

alabama24:
Not a bad idea… but it might not be beneficial to offer them at the same time in CP

I agree that it should be broken up and offered in sequence. It is too big of a project for CP at this time.

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Bryan Speer | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 12:27 PM

Why does the age of the articles matter?  If you look at the authors of these articles they are some of the giants of reformed theology.  I would rather read them than the absolute junk (NT Wright and the like) that is coming out today.  People have forgotten that God has promised men from every generation to lead the church.  We stand on the shoulders of the ones that came before us.  I just think to discount them because they are not from this generation shows disrespect for the men God has raised up in the past.

I would love to have this resource available in Logos.  These men do have a lot to tell this generation...if we would only listen.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 4 2014 12:49 PM

I agree, Bryan, despite not having been interested in Reformed theology more than since September 2013. I'm very unlikely to change denominations from Mennonite and Ptolemy-"Gnosticism", but I do have a couple of specifically reformed major resources: Institutes of the Christian Religion (2 vols.) (best translation) and Baker’s New Testament Commentary (HK) (12 vols.), and sometimes buy technical resources by Reformed scholars (for Example Lk in the Hermeneia -series).

Another item that needs higher bids than the projected price: Want to utilize public domain Logos books better someday? ... I'm in at $180 with two accounts.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 6 2014 1:18 PM

Bryan Speer:

Why does the age of the articles matter?  If you look at the authors of these articles they are some of the giants of reformed theology.  I would rather read them than the absolute junk (NT Wright and the like) that is coming out today.  People have forgotten that God has promised men from every generation to lead the church.  We stand on the shoulders of the ones that came before us.  I just think to discount them because they are not from this generation shows disrespect for the men God has raised up in the past.

I would love to have this resource available in Logos.  These men do have a lot to tell this generation...if we would only listen.

Hi Bryan,

Because you asked why age matters, I can only speak for myself why age does matter.  First, I do agree that the older writings need to be read, and should not be discounted.  

This being said, the newer material takes into consideration what these people of God said along with the new things we have learned from resources that were not available at the time of those writings (Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi Library, etc...).  Thus, the newer resources are much more valuable to me. 

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