Just saw it announced on Twitter: http://www.logos.com/product/17902/timothy-keller-sermon-archive
Price seems about right considering they did the same thing for Driscoll (much fewer sermons) and he goes for $129 http://www.logos.com/product/4925/mark-driscoll-sermon-archive
Just trying to decide if I really want the sermon transcripts or not...
But John Piper's collection is way cheaper :-)
http://www.logos.com/product/8601/the-john-piper-sermon-manuscript-library
Just ordered this. Thanks for the heads up.
Logos, please do it for Earl Palmer's sermons too! (Audio versions are available at http://www.earlpalmer.org/resources.html)
Thanks for flagging this.
I am really looking forward to this resource. Just preordered it now!
The reason (I believe) is that Piper's sermons were already transcribed. All that was needed was to convert them into Logos and Tag them.
For Keller, just like for Driscoll, the price is to cover the actual transcription of the sermons. Got to imagine that it is going to take a LONG time to transcribe 1000+ sermons!
The reason (I believe) is that Piper's sermons were already transcribed. All that was needed was to convert them into Logos and Tag them. For Keller, just like for Driscoll, the price is to cover the actual transcription of the sermons. Got to imagine that it is going to take a LONG time to transcribe 1000+ sermons!
I don't know that they need to necessarily transcribe so much as translate. He does "manuscripts," but not in the traditional sense. Here's a sample from one of his sermons:
http://www.covlifemedia.org/joshharris/keller_ms.pdf
And who knows, maybe he has full-blown manuscripts that he pares down into this format for the pulpit.
EDIT: It sounds like from his video that some transcription work will need to be done. It would be interesting to know how his style has changed over the years.
I just wonder how long it willl take. I don't really like paying for something that I will recieve at an ambigious future date. Especially considering the amount of times Logos pushes release dates back.
I just wonder how long it willl take.
Did you read that it was going to be published in five segments?
You don't pay for it until it ships, as with all pre-pubs. You can pull out if you think it's taking too long and would prefer to spend your money elsewhere.
I am really excited about these sermons being made for Logos, but the collection doesn't indicate that it is available on mobile devices or the web app.
Backtrack it:
http://sermons2.redeemer.com/category/sermon-tags/abel
Now, can we get some of Tim Keller's BOOKS in Logos?
I would assume that it would be available, but it is curious that there is no icon stating such:
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I'm much more interested in the sermons. For instance, my wife and I found the sermons that became "The Reason for God" to be significantly better than the book itself.
I am also interested to see in this collection how Tim Keller embodied the "Christ in All Scripture" principle he learned from Edmund Clowney, his preaching mentor.
If you can't wait, listen to the DMin class Keller taught with Clowney on the subject for free! Preaching Christ to Postmoderns Lectures 4 and 9 contain most of the "nuts and bolts."
Thanks!
I have those audios, but haven't finished listening them - stopped somewhere in the first 2 or 3 lectures.
Will re-listen, then.
But, unlike most prepbs you'll be paying when the first segment ships. You'll then be waiting an undefined amount of time for the other 4 to roll out.
While annoying, I do like the idea of (in theory) getting pieces as they roll out as opposed to waiting for the whole project to be released (which may take a while).
Also, looking at the progress bar I'm wondering how long it will take to get to production. Guessing the pre-pub price is lower than they would have wanted to go based on the $1200 non-prepub price. If that's the case, they'll need more orders than usual to get to production level.
Will be interesting to watch how this one plays out.
But, unlike most prepbs you'll be paying when the first segment ships. You'll then be waiting an undefined amount of time for the other 4 to roll out. While annoying, I do like the idea of (in theory) getting pieces as they roll out as opposed to waiting for the whole project to be released (which may take a while).
I am a big fan of Keller's and am definitely in on this. However, I agree that it is annoying that you only get an as yet undetermined amount of sermons but get charged for the full price.
If there are too few available initially, there will likely be some protest... at least from me.
The fairest thing to do would be to charge pro rata as the transcripts are released.
True, but that would be a huge pain for Logos and not worth their time and energy. It would never happen.
It would at least be nice to have some sort of a timeline. Is it going to take 2 months, 8 months, 2 years? That could potentially influence my decision.
I also agree with this. Such an arrangement would not be absolutely without precedent, the EEC springs to mind (although I appreciate there are distinctions in terms of magnitude).
Brother, have you heard Tim Keller's sermon? I think his sermons are very worthwhile :-)
By the way, are you Chinese or Vietnamese?
I've got transforming mission by Heibert on pre-order from 2010, grrr.
I'm looking forward to Kellers' sermons but also very frustrated that under libronix you could search Piper's messages by scripture reference but this was lost in logos- one of the most useful aspects. While you can search on the discovering God website it defeats the purpose of having it in logos. I hope this feature will be a part of Keller's sermons.
Hi Mark,
Welcome to the forums.
It's not automatic, but you can set up Logos to search Piper's sermons by Scripture reference. I have attached a screen shot to show how they appear when I type in a passage.
The key is that you need to make some kind of custom collection that contains his sermons. I happened to have made one that contains all of my resources that are sermon manuscript collections. [You'll have to do the same with Keller's sermons.]
After I made that collection, I created a custom Passage Guide that includes my Sermon Collection (screenshot also below).
