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Doug Dunbar | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, May 5 2012 10:14 PM

Hi! I was trying to do a moph search in Ephesians  for all imperative verbs. I haven't been able to find a video or posting on this - it should be simple....

Anyway, I selected to search the NA27 with morph, limited to Eph. In the search box I entered "lemma:*@V???M (morphology codes from the drop down list that came up after hitting the @.  This returned 0 results and took almost 10 seconds. I'm obviously not in the know for how to enter morph searches in Logos.

My assumption is that the '*' in the lemma field should be an open wildcard - searching for any lemma (this may be my mistake - but it is a common long standing computer thing...). The Mophology codes after the @ were determined by Logos as I clicked on Verb and Imperative. Leavening all else out of the search to give the most results for imperative verbs in the book.

BibleWorks 8 search was easy to set up, and took 0.25 seconds (running XP under VM Fusion), returning the results I was looking for - and why I keep going back to BW for morphological searches like this...  I know it's probably just my ignorance and inexperience with Logos, but after two years, I find these kinds of tasks in Logos non-intuative.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 5 2012 10:39 PM

Doug Dunbar:
The Mophology codes after the @ were determined by Logos as I clicked on Verb and Imperative.

Initially chose resource: NA27 w/ McReynolds English Interlinear (NA 27 Int.), which has Logos Greek Morphological tagging:

Entered @ to show drop down menu, then clicked Verb, Imperative, and blue arrow.

Doug Dunbar:
... search took 0.25 seconds

Logos 4.5b search in the Prison Epistles for imperative verbs took a bit longer @ 2.77 seconds:

Doug Dunbar:
My assumption is that the '*' in the lemma field should be an open wildcard - searching for any lemma (this may be my mistake - but it is a common long standing computer thing...).

Logos 4 does not need * wildcard in Morph Search to look for all lemma's.  Caveat: Logos 4 searches using * wildcard are slow.

Doug Dunbar:
In the search box I entered "lemma:*@V???M (morphology codes from the drop down list that came up after hitting the @.  This returned 0 results and took almost 10 seconds.

Morph code for imperative looks a bit odd.  Logos Greek Morphology code (verb imperative) is @V??M (majority of Greek resources in Logos 4) while Gramcord Greek Morphology code is @V????M (in two NA27 resources with Gramcord).

Note: searching NA27 Int. for @V???M finds 0 results.

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Doug Dunbar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 6 2012 2:25 PM

Thanks! Very helpful.  Is there a training video on mophology searching tools? I don't see much in the support stuff other than basic functions. Probably covered in the stuff you can buy :)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 6 2012 8:26 PM

Doug Dunbar:
Thanks! Very helpful.  Is there a training video on mophology searching tools?

Logos videos for PC => http://www.logos.com/videos/pc includes one morph search example => Faster Searching - Hebrew Morphology in ESV Reverse Interlinear  (Logos 4 Mac uses return key instead of clicking small arrow)

Wiki Getting Started with Logos => Search has Tips and links.  The => Learning Logos section includes:

Tip: Many wiki pages are available as a docx file Wiki has Personal Books (how to build a personal book in Logos 4 from a docx file)

Note: the docx file includes many search tips, including Morph Search, which can be built as a Personal Book for use in Logos 4.

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RichB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 6 2012 8:59 PM

Hi Doug,

Here's a video that I found to be helpful in setting up visual filters (e.g., imperatives, participles).

http://ministrytechonline.com/?p=349

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 6 2012 9:22 PM

Wiki  Extended Tips for Visual Filters has => Examples of visual filters with a screen shot showing 5 Logos Greek Morphology visual filters and highlighting palette, which can be used as a key next to a Bible.

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