Exegetical Guide Grammars... how to identify on the website?

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Mike S. | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 16 2012 2:17 PM

I would like to find more Greek grammars for the Exegetical Guide's "Grammar" section, but I cannot tell what will, and will not show up in that section. 

Will the discourse grammar related collection show? Will BDF? Runge's Discourse Grammar? Moulton's Grammar? Wallace's? There appear to be no specific way to ID this from the website. 

I know about (and have) the basics from Platinum and Porter's Idiom book, if you cannot tell me how to ID what I can purchase to add, what do you have beyond these that you would suggest that you use? What about this pre-pub?

 

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 16 2012 6:40 PM

Anything that is type:grammar should show up in the Grammar section if it has a reference to the verse(s) you are searching. See Bradley Grainger's comments on this post -- http://community.logos.com/forums/t/49068.aspx

 

 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 3:39 AM

Gary O'Neal:

Gary, your answer is correct, but the link is broken.

Additionally, the order in which grammars appear seems to be independent of their prioritization in the Library.

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 4:18 AM

Jack Caviness:
Gary, your answer is correct, but the link is broken.

Fixed it -- thanks Jack.

 

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Mike S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 5:00 AM

OK, I guess I need to re-ask the question... I know how to see grammars in my existing collection.... I do NOT know how to tell if a book in a collection is considered a grammar or not based on the logos.com website

How can I tell what grammars there are from the website?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 6:24 AM

Yesterday, I was curious about Mike's question (Logos.com), so I did an exegetical guide for Gen 1:1 just to see what would pop up (granted this is the OT, not the NT).

I was quite surprised. I'd of thought 'grammars'. But actually the 'type:grammar' is considerably broader. Almost a third of the choices were from my Ugarit library. Of course the normal hebrew, but then some aramaic participants as well. Linguistic resources; quite a few I assumed would be monographs.

In fact, there were so many, you almost need sub-categories for the grammars. I kept pressing the little 'More' button at the bottom of the list. It never did go away.

Of course the desire for a small 'info' section for each produced resource on Logos.com has asked for previously. What indexes does it use? How is it typed? And so forth.

That's why we started the WIKI resources section, to try to provide at least some of the more critical resources. But it's the usual Logos 'workaround' ... instead of doing it the obvious way (on Logos.com), we attempted a stop-gap approach.  Logos then took some Biblia code and stuck it in Logos.com to at least show what the Biblia version looks like.

But for an organization that prides itself on the most sophisticated, value add library hands-down, it's really pulling teeth to find out about the resources in the Logos library. Or learning about the sophisticated program itself. You feel like a dentist with the patient's mouth clamped tightly shut. Open up .... open up ....

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Gary O'Neal | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 11:23 AM

 

Mike S.:
How can I tell what grammars there are from the website?

Oops -- sorry, I misunderstood your original question. as others have mentioned, there doesn't seem to be a way from the website to determine which ones will show up. However, a search of my library found that anything with 'grammar' in its title was listed as type:grammar except for one book dealing with theology. That might give you some initial direction.

 

Mike S.:

Will the discourse grammar related collection show? Will BDF? Runge's Discourse Grammar? Moulton's Grammar? Wallace's? There appear to be no specific way to ID this from the website. 

I know about (and have) the basics from Platinum and Porter's Idiom book, if you cannot tell me how to ID what I can purchase to add, what do you have beyond these that you would suggest that you use? What about this pre-pub?

Here's a list of the resources I have in my library which are type:grammar :

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Davis, William Hersey. Beginner's Grammar of the Greek New Testament. Revised and expanded edition. Eugene, OR: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 2005.

Futato, Mark David. Beginning Biblical Hebrew. Winona Lake, IN: Eisenbrauns, 2003.

Van der Merwe, Christo, Jackie Naudé, Jan Kroeze et al. A Biblical Hebrew Reference Grammar. electronic ed. Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1999.

Runge, Steven E. Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament: A Practical Introduction for Teaching and Exegesis. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010.

Nunn, H. P. V. The Elements of New Testament Greek. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1923.

Gesenius, Friedrich Wilhelm. Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar. Edited by Kautzsch, E. and Sir Arthur Ernest Cowley. 2d English ed. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1910.

Moulton, James Hope and Nigel Turner. A Grammar of New Testament Greek, Volume 3: Syntax. Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1963-.

Robertson, A. T. A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, Logos Bible Software, 1919.

Wallace, Daniel B. Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics - Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament, Zondervan Publishing House and Galaxie Software, 1999.

Blass, Friedrich, Albert Debrunner and Robert Walter Funk. A Greek Grammar of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1961.

Chapman, Benjamin and Gary Steven Shogren. Greek New Testament Insert. 2nd ed., revised. Quakertown, PA: Stylus Publishing, 1994.

Putnam, Frederic Clarke. Hebrew Bible Insert: A Student’s Guide to the Syntax of Biblical Hebrew. Quakertown, PA: Stylus Publishing, 2002.

Davidson, A. B. Introductory Hebrew Grammar Hebrew Syntax. 3d ed. Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1902.

Young, Richard A. Intermediate New Testament Greek: A Linguistic and Exegetical Approach. Nashville, TN: Broadman & Holman, 1994.

Greenspahn, Frederick E. Vol. 46, An Introduction to Aramaic. 2nd ed. Resources for biblical study. Atlanta, GA: Society of Biblical Literature, 2003.

Nunn, H. P. V. An Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin. Cambridge: University Press, 1922.

Black, David Alan. Learn to Read New Testament Greek. 3rd ed. Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing Group, 2009.

Rocine, B. M. Learning Biblical Hebrew: A New Approach Using Discourse Analysis. Macon, GA: Smyth & Helwys Pub., 2000.

Abbott, E. A. A Shakespearean Grammar. Medford, MA: Macmillan and Company, 1870.

Robertson, A. T. A Short Grammar of the Greek New Testament, for Students Familiar With the Elements of Greek. New York: Hodder & Stoughton, 1908.

Nunn, H. P. V. A Short Syntax of New Testament Greek. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1920.

Gildersleeve, Basil L. Syntax of Classical Greek from Homer to Demosthenes. Medford, MA: American Book Company, 1900.

Lindsay, W. M. Syntax of Plautus. Medford, MA: J. Parker and Co., 1907.

Burton, Ernest De Witt. Syntax of the Moods and Tenses in New Testament Greek. 3rd ed. Edinburg: T&T Clark, 1898.

Winer, G. B. A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament Greek: Regarded as a Sure Basis for New Testament Exegesis. Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1882.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 17 2012 12:30 PM

Mike S.:

I would like to find more Greek grammars for the Exegetical Guide's "Grammar" section, but I cannot tell what will, and will not show up in that section. 

Looking in my Scholar's Platinum library plus additional purchases, found 40 type:grammar resources:

Mike S.:

Appears answer is Yes for all these grammar resources (looking at two library lists of type:grammar in this thread).

Mike S.:
I know about (and have) the basics from Platinum and Porter's Idiom book, if you cannot tell me how to ID what I can purchase to add, what do you have beyond these that you would suggest that you use? What about this pre-pub?

Often titles that include Grammar are type:grammar (notable exception is Collins Latin Dictionary and Grammar that is a lexicon).

Noticed Kairos: A Beginning Greek Grammar with Workbook and Answer Key (3 vols.) has a workbook with Grammar in the title, which is a monograph.  The grammar resource is type:grammar.

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