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REV. DR. JAIME LOPEZ ORTEGA | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, May 19 2012 7:57 PM

i keep wishing for a quicker loading version 4.. will it ever be..

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Bruce Cullom | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 21 2012 6:56 PM

I know what you mean.  I upgraded to a Crucial M4 Solid State Drive and now Logos 4 Scholar's (with 1300 books) opens in 19 seconds. Also, scrolling and commentary loading is much much faster.

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Hunter Clagett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 24 2012 9:28 AM

Bruce Cullom:

I know what you mean.  I upgraded to a Crucial M4 Solid State Drive and now Logos 4 Scholar's (with 1300 books) opens in 19 seconds. Also, scrolling and commentary loading is much much faster.

This is a great way to improve performance of your system in general. Also, upgrading your Graphics Card is a great way of improving performance. 

 

Thanks,

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Bruce Cullom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2012 10:49 PM

True also. I installed an NVIDIA 2 GIG DDR-5 Graphics card and it made a significant improvement in Logos 4 performance.

BTW, with the Logos 4 latest version (with Logos loaded on my SSD), Logos 4 is now loading in 14 seconds.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 4:06 AM

Jaime Lopez Ortega:

i keep wishing for a quicker loading version 4.. will it ever be..

Because of the platform (WPF) that L4 uses, it will never be quick loading.  The only way to get L4 to load faster is to upgrade your hardware.  Any program that is built using WPF must first load an additional layer (think of an additional OS) before it can load the actual L4 program.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 4:31 AM

tom collinge:
Because of the platform (WPF) that L4 uses, it will never be quick loading.  The only way to get L4 to load faster is to upgrade your hardware.  Any program that is built using WPF must first load an additional layer (think of an additional OS) before it can load the actual L4 program.

Tom, (and Logos) is it possible to ditch WPF? Even it it means a much larger program, but a faster one?

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 4:33 AM

Hunter, feel free to chip in also? If Win 8 uses WPF, when L5 ships, can we ditch it, and go solo? L4 is fast, but faster is always better.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 5:20 AM

Lynden Williams:
Tom, (and Logos) is it possible to ditch WPF? Even it it means a much larger program, but a faster one?
In a word, no.  When Logos decided to use WPF, they were thinking (hoping) that this is the direction Microsoft would be going in the future.  WPF never panned out to fulfill all of its promises.  To ditch WPF means to completely ditch L4, and Bob has already said L5 will also be using WPF.  So we are stuck with the performance that we have until L6 comes out, and Bob has already hinted that he might drop WPF for L6.

This is the price you pay at times when you adopt early technology; it doesn't work as well as you hope.  L4 has been out for several years now, and people are still complaining about L4's performance.  Even people with new and powerful computers are complaining about L4's performance.  I believe that we will be hearing about performance issues until L6 comes out.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 5:52 AM

Thanks Tom. I realize fast is relevant. What one user is satisfied with, others are not. Is it possible to write code so that it is not reliant (minimum at best) on the Os of the machine? In Libronix we had problems with internet explorer, now WPF. How about going solo. HDDs are getting larger and cheaper, so is Ram.

I just don't want a good thing to be handicapped by someone else's limitation. Just wondering

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 6:11 AM

Yes, my Libronix3 is just chomping at the bit to compare itself to Logos5. Between you and me, I suspect Libronix3 is going to be a very happy camper.

I'm just wondering how much longer the Mac folks can 'hold on'.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 6:23 AM

Lynden Williams:

Thanks Tom. I realize fast is relevant. What one user is satisfied with, others are not. Is it possible to write code so that it is not reliant (minimum at best) on the Os of the machine? In Libronix we had problems with internet explorer, now WPF. How about going solo. HDDs are getting larger and cheaper, so is Ram.

I just don't want a good thing to be handicapped by someone else's limitation. Just wondering

This is always to goal, and it is impossible to do.   IMHO, one of the big problems comes from Logos itself.  They want to be on the cutting edge of technology.  This has some wonderful advantages and some horrible disadvantages.  When you are on the cutting edge, you are out in front of the standards being created.  You are also programming around the many many many bugs in the system.  Now when the standards come out and the bug fixes come out, you have to do a lot of fixing of your code.

A case can be seen because L4 still uses .net3 because it cannot use .net4.  Will L4 be able to use .net4.5 when it is released later this year?

IMHO, you never want to be on the leading edge of technology.  You should allow the other companies spend their time and resources on what works and what does not work (In this case, Logos would have noticed that companies are moving away from WPF because of the many issues with it).  Once something is figured out to work and the standards have been laid, then go for it.

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Gregory Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 8:38 AM

If I read Microsoft release notes correctly, WPF uses Direct3D, which was not available until the release of DirectX 10.0 (Vista and above).  I was running Windows XP, 2 weeks ago partitioned and installed Windows 7 (dual boot as a test).  Logos 4 loads and runs with vastly improved performance over the Windows XP partition.  Otherwise, without Direct3d installed, there is more utilization of CPU for display.  Monitoring CPU usage, it's peak during a (lets say scroll or highlight operation) is much shorter duration.  Having Direct3D installed, allows much of this load to be performed by the GPU if DirectX 10.0 or above capable.  Perhaps folks with performance issues are still on XP?  Your bro, Gregory

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 8:54 AM

Lynden Williams:
In Libronix we had problems with internet explorer, now WPF. How about going solo. HDDs are getting larger and cheaper, so is Ram.

So are SSD's and they improve the speed of loading L4 much more than any fast HDD. They don't overcome lag when opening tabs but WPF is the least of my worries as you don't have to start L4 all that often when you let the computer Sleep with L4 open. An SSD and a good multi-core CPU allows you to multi-task with ease eg.  a long Search + PG + EG.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 9:46 AM

Gregory Miller:
Perhaps folks with performance issues are still on XP?
I cannot speak for everyone, but L4 runs slow on both of my MS Vista computers.  

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2012 10:22 AM

Tom, upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 or 8 when it is released. Vista, does a poor job in its use of Ram.

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