Student Evaluation using the Hebrew and Greek DVD training series

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Rich Davis | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012 3:57 PM

I am using the Logos Hebrew and Greek DVD training videos personally. I would like to recommend them to a Bible College student who needs to complete his studies in Greek. My question is if someone might know of any evaluation tools (testing) that could be used in conjunction with the Greek videos? How can I evaluate if a student is capable of using the tools available in Logos 4 which are being taught by Johnny Cisneros in his training videos? 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 16 2012 7:51 PM

One idea is Logos screen shots.  Greek Video 2 has the alphabet.  How many resources in your Logos library have the greek alphabet ?  A screen shot showing a basic search of Description; Heading Text; Large Text for Greek Alphabet may find some articles (depends on library):

Looking at http://www.logos.com/comparison noticed That's Easy for You to Say: Your Quick Guide to Pronouncing BibleNames, 3rd ed. is included in most base packages.  Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible is included in Scholar's Platinum and Portfolio.  Another search idea is looking for alphabet in a collection of Greek grammatical resources:

A complementary resource to Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software is Learning New Testament Greek Now and Then that includes sentence diagramming plus a number of exercises.

Caution caveat: the interlinear display of English and Greek words is misleading.  Greek is not English.  Proper names often have a one to one correspondence between names while other words have a range of meanings whose overlap varies.

For many Greek videos in Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software one idea is Morph Searches and/or Bible Word Studies to find similar examples as shown in the videos.

Looking at Greek video 19 about aorist tense, personally am curious about number of commentaries in my library that suggest aorist is a once-for-all verb.  Wonder about Biblical passages that have once-for-all significance, which is expressed using aorist ?  One exercise idea is finding some more aorist examples where once-for-all does not fit contextual usage (e.g. John 11:35) plus other examples that could fit (e.g. John 12:16).

Another exercise idea is creating a set of Logos Greek Morphology visual filters, which could be done incrementally during a Bible College Course.  For Greek video 19, the visual filter exercise could be adding aorist highlighting to a verbal tense visual filter.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 16 2012 10:09 PM

Rich Davis:
Logos Hebrew and Greek DVD training videos personally.

I believe you are referring to the videos on learning to use Greek and Hebrew in Logos. They are designed to provide a framework for users who don't know Hebrew or Greek a way to utilize some of the language features in Logos. They don't really teach a person to read either language. However, Logos does carry textbooks, grammars, lexicons and original texts so a dedicated student could teach themselves either language.

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Rich Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 5:52 AM

Thanks my friend. Those are possibilities, but I was hoping that some smart professor might have already devised some evaluation tools for testing that could be shared.

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Rich Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 6:00 AM

MJ. Smith - Thank you for getting back to me on the question. I do realize that the Hebrew and Greek videos are to help a person to used the language tools available in Logos. However, I was hoping to use those videos in a classroom setting or perhaps like an extension course in Greek or Hebrew whereby the student could view the videos and then prove his/her understand via some testing method. I simply want to be able to evaluate whether or not the student has gained proficiency with the Logos 4 language tools as just watching the videos alone is not enough. I don't want the student just sitting in class without actually practicing and learning. For many students, testing is necessary to "encourage" them to make sure they know and understand the concepts rather than simply biding their time.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 6:22 AM

My best suggestion would be to contact Michael Heiser directly*. He'd be the most likely person to know if something like this has been done before. You can call him at Logos, or send an e-mail with his name on the subject line. (And if it hasn't been done, perhaps he's interested in getting it done?)

EDIT: *or Johnny Cisneros

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 6:36 AM

Rich Davis:

 My question is if someone might know of any evaluation tools (testing) that could be used in conjunction with the Greek videos? How can I evaluate if a student is capable of using the tools available in Logos 4 which are being taught by Johnny Cisneros in his training videos? 

Rich, the dvd training videos are designed to be able to be used by somebody without any prior knowledge of Greek. I have watched the videos myself and think that the only "prerequisite" to ensure one is capable is that they have to read English well and be prepared to think and read at a college level. An understanding of English grammar would be helpful but is not necessary as they labor to go slow and teach grammar so that even the uninitiated could follow.

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Robert Wazlavek | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 7:20 AM

This is what you guys are talking about, right?

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Mike S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 7:51 AM

Rich Davis:

I would like to recommend them to a Bible College student who needs to complete his studies in Greek. My question is if someone might know of any evaluation tools (testing) that could be used in conjunction with the Greek videos? How can I evaluate if a student is capable of using the tools available in Logos 4 which are being taught by Johnny Cisneros in his training videos? 

There seems to be a bit of dissonance in your request: 

1. Someone needs to complete their "studies in Greek"

2. You want to test their use of Greek tools in Logos

These are essentially tangential, if not possibly in opposition to one another. For someone trying to "complete his studies in Greek", these videos would actually hinder their progress IMHO (and yes, I own them since their release and have viewed all of them a couple of times). 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 17 2012 11:53 AM

To evaluate competency in using L4 original language tools you ask "using L4, identify the GNC (gender, number, case) of [pick a specific word] in [pick a specific text].

or

"identify the syntactical force of [pick your word] in [pick your reference]"

or

"identify the LN number of a particular word. Name the domain which includes this word. List the other glosses in this domain that the author could have used. why do you think this gloss was preferred?"

Or

"how would this verse be translated if the verb .... Appeared in the imperfect rather than the aorist.?"

Or "BDAG cites 4 other references where this word is used in this sense. Identify these 4 references."

Or "identify the 3 examples of 'fronting' that appear in this text"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 20 2012 9:44 PM

Robert Wazlavek:

This is what you guys are talking about, right?

yes

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