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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 20 2012 10:26 AM

Ryan:

This is insanely offensive.

Logos is pimping the cross of Christ to turn a buck?

Stay classy my friend.

I considered Logos a Christian Publishing company. They hold to a statement of Faith, and given Bob's interviews, it was a personal hobby turned business. I don't believe they use the cross to capture the attention of all of the "Jesus Fanclub" to get rich quick.

Ryan, my statement was not directed to any company in particular.  My statement is accurate.  When I see a cross, the word Christian, or any other standard Christian symbol or word on ANY product, my first thought it is a marketing ploy to increase sales.

Let us use Logos as an example, and let us say that everything is the same with the one exception that they did not use the cross as part of their symbol.  Instead, they used the caduceus as part of their symbol.  Would this change increase or decrease their sales?  I would say that their sales would decrease.  Therefor, using the cross as part of their symbol does increase sales.  Does the term that I use in the above post "ploy" fit Logos?  I don't think so.

I will say that the word "ploy" does fit most of the time.  Just look at the many televangelists on TV.  My contacts within the Christian music circles tell me that there is nothing Christian in the Christian music world (NOTE, I do not have any first hand knowledge in this case, just repeating what a couple of people have told me).  And what is so Christian about a lawn care company?  Do they cut the grass in the shape of a cross?  Every time I press a company's representative on this, they give me the ethics that they use.  The problem is that the ethics that they use are not Christian ethics, but humanist ethics.  Nothing wrong with humanist ethics, I like them.  But the fact of the matter is that humanist ethics are not the ethics that separates Christianity from the rest of the world.  And don't even get me going on Christian counselors.  My experience with Christian counselors has been "very very very bad."  All of the ones that I have been around use the bible as a way to control and abuse people.

As you can see, I do not like Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 20 2012 10:44 AM

Very good answer Tom.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 20 2012 11:03 AM

tom collinge:

But the fact of the matter is that humanist ethics are not the ethics that separates Christianity from the rest of the world.  And don't even get me going on Christian counselors.  My experience with Christian counselors has been "very very very bad."  All of the ones that I have been around use the bible as a way to control and abuse people.

As you can see, I do not like Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc...

Your experience, and the behavior of others doesn't dictate the definition of the symbol.

I'm very critical as well of those claiming to be Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc, the fact is they're not Christian.

Back on point, ads are annoying.

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Jim Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 23 2012 11:11 AM

new beta version ends this thread. You only have to see the advertisements if you choose to goo to the home page, same as the laptop/desktop version. Now you'll have to go there yourself each month to learn what the free download is.

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