Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries at 50% off

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fgh | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 6 2012 6:52 AM

Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 vols.) 

Normal price: $1,200.

Sale price until July 31st: $599.95

Note: to buy over the internet you'll need the coupon code from the Newswire. No, according to forum guidelines I'm not allowed to post it here, but if you phone a sales rep I suspect they'll let you buy without. 

 

Note to Logos: the price is great, but as usual I don't like it when you play games with the truth:

"P.S. The HCC almost never goes on sale"

Really? It's 1,5 years since the last sale for that price ended, and it had been going on for quite a few months. When did 1,5 years become "almost never"? How many of your resources have been on sale more often than that? A handful?

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 6 2012 7:59 AM

Yes ... I suspect the days of the $1200 commentary set will slowly erode, with AYB valiently trying to hold the line.

On the one hand, it's good for consumers (and this is a good set and good sale price), but it makes it difficult to do new commentaries (as if any are needed).

Some day I'd like to be a 'fly on the wall' to better understand why Logos feels the need for over-the-top advertising claims. In another thread, Bob is truly amazed people question Logos' motives. Doesn't amaze me. You have Mr Hyde and then the other guy.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 6 2012 8:54 AM

DMB:
AYB

Don't mention the AYB in a 50% thread! You're leading me into temptation. Stick out tongue

Though if they did offer the AYB for 50% off, I promise I wouldn't say a word of complaint if they claimed it is "almost never" on sale. Big Smile

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 6 2012 11:16 AM

Do You really expect the history to repeat itself? And Logos isn't in control of that, it's the publisher that tries this to increasy sales-volumes.

fgh:
"P.S. The HCC almost never goes on sale"
Really? It's 1,5 years since the last sale for that price ended, and it had been going on for quite a few months.
I have been interested in the Hermeneia -commentaries for a year now, and I've read people liking the Gn Continental -commentaries (but I don't like the in-depth focus on the Documentary Hypothesis, of it).

For Gn I have http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-2/#post59570356 as printed matter and I use the 1948 Confraternity Version to read about Joseph, and for some of 1:1-35:4a I use a November 28. 2001 - January 2. 2003 translation from Aramaic: http://www.v-a.com that I printed out while it was still free online years ago. And I'm using some other versions too, such as the REB of which I have copied a few pages.
For Qôheleth have: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-post60352865/#post60352865
I think I'll buy the Ezekiel -volume I mention in: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/51352/378468.aspx#378468 I think there's a chance that Logos releases it.
I bought the Hermeneia Upgrade (Mt 1-7 revised, Mk, new Acts) on April 19. 2012. A year ago I bought the Mt 8-20 -volume as printed matter. I think these volumes are good + I have a need for them.
For Lk, 2 Pt and Jude, I use these ones: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241-post60404925/#post60404925 as printed matter.
For Ro, Jas I use: http://www.christianforums.com/t7541241/#post59523561 as printed matter. The Ro -volume is available in Logos in a set. The Jas volume has got expensive, I got mine cheap as an original book, not print-on-demand, a year ago.
For 1 Cor I make some use of the Jimmy Swaggart commentary. I actually got it for free. (First I ordered it, then I cancelled my order, no money was withdrawn, then I got surprised when I received it in postal mail.)

I'll just briefly mention that I also have some more commentaries: Haydock; a brief outline on Jewish eschatology (has Gog and Magog, 4-6 Esdras, Armilus, 2-3 Baruch, War of Ezekiel 38-39, Fate of the unlearned, The secrets of rabbi simon ben yohai, Gathering of israel) by Hephaestus books; Jn by Pheme Perkins ('70s hard-to-find); Catena Aurea; an introduction to Jas that I don't find good which I bought for my dad but he returned it to me after having read it; a 1937 volume on 1 Clem including a translation.

It looks like the Galatians Hermeneia -volume is good. It sells somewhat well on Amazon, sales ranking 414,314th place.

I might get a forthcoming Logos Paideia-upgrade -release. But it can take quite a while before it comes.
I'm considering buying: http://www.logos.com/product/8908/ephesians later when I afford it. I've asked Logos to drop the price of it with ¢50-$1 as it is quite expensive (and some of the items in the series have a lower price). It's has sales rank 1,221,722nd place on Amazon.com.

For other books of the Bible, I haven't found anything worth buying.

An even better volume on Ignatius of Antioch, and the new 1999 translation of it, would be something to have.

After I've got these, it doesn't feel necessary to get the Hermeneia Continental Commentaries -bundle for $600. I'm fully satisfied with the commentaries I have, and allthough some of them are brief it looks like all of them (except Haydock, the Hephaestus books volume, and the brief Jas outline) are among the best, and I get away cheaper.

I noticed that some volumes in the Hermeneia Continental Commentaries don't sell well on Amazon, sales ranking ~1½ millionth place.

You are welcome to discuss commentaries in the Christianforums -thread I linked to. Even though it's an old thread, new posts keep coming. There is a new thread about Sirach: http://www.christianforums.com/t7667896-post60913879/

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 7 2012 5:16 AM

The interesting items in the offer are OT 7,322 pages, Bible + Ignatius of Antioch 10,004 pages.
The price/page ratio is 6.15¢ a page for the OT incl. 4 Esdras and ¢6.09 a page for the Bible incl. ½ value for Ignatius of Antioch (because like I said an even better commentary would be desirable).

I did an accurate calculation: the printed items I have and recommend, have turned out 25% cheaper than this offer (see figures in on the last 4 rows of this post). (I counted $ and ¢, £ and p, pages, percentage how much of the Bible the commentaries cover. Printed and electronic matter separately.)

If I would cover the whole Bible, incl. 4 Esdras, 1 Clem and Ignatius of Antioch, except Lk 1-2, Jn 21 and Apocalypse, for the same price as the $600 Hermeneia Continental -set, it would total $1850.
If I would cover the whole Bible, incl. 4 Esdras, 1 Clem and Ignatius of Antioch, except Lk 1-2, Jn 21 and Apocalypse, for the same price as the printed commentaries I've bought so far, it would total ~$1500, including average postage (I try to order 2-4 items, if possible, from same seller to get a lower average postage), overseas.

(N.B I counted the percentage of the Bible with a comb, from representative printed Bibles, as I don't know how to calculate (lack statistics) that more accurately in the same amount of time.)

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 7 2012 7:24 AM

DMB:
Some day I'd like to be a 'fly on the wall' to better understand why Logos feels the need for over-the-top advertising claims. In another thread, Bob is truly amazed people question Logos' motives. Doesn't amaze me. You have Mr Hyde and then the other guy.
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Paul Knopf | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 11 2012 4:15 PM

Here's what I encountered: paid $500 for Hermeneia on pre-pub, paid $129 for the first upgrade (Matt 1-7, Mark, Acts) totaling more than this deal and netting less (with this deal you get continental commentaries too). Anyone else in the same boat as me?  This is a great deal, but seemingly punishes us who purchased through pre-pub.

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Mathew Voth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 11 2012 5:09 PM

Paul, give them a call, I thought when this deal came out the last time that they were refunding your kind and giving you the same deal in return...

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 11 2012 5:13 PM

Paul Knopf:

Here's what I encountered: paid $500 for Hermeneia on pre-pub, paid $129 for the first upgrade (Matt 1-7, Mark, Acts) totaling more than this deal and netting less (with this deal you get continental commentaries too). Anyone else in the same boat as me?  This is a great deal, but seemingly punishes us who purchased through pre-pub.

I am sure there are many people in the same boat. But punishes does't seem like the right word. Companies have sales, and I don;t think it would ever be fair to tell Logos or any company they cannot lower theirs prices when they want. Also this current sale may be prompted less by Logos and more by Augsburg Fortress (I have no idea but in order to generate greater interest in their upgraded volumes they may be wanting to offer people an opportunity to get the current volumes). I wish, although i know it will never happened, all resources got cheaper and cheaper the longer they were available. This use to happen very often when there were CDROMS every once in a while you would find them on sale pennies on dollar sometime as old stock was cleared. Because i was able to find the Vernon McGee library for $30 does that mean Logos should be forced to only sell all his works for that, if they did and you spent a few hundred dollars on them  say 2 years back should you get money back? Everyone likes a deal and saving money which is how Logos gets us to pre purchase, but it seems short sighted to expect Logos to promise there WILL NEVER be a cheaper price, only that prices will rise for sure and there is no guarantee that  that it will ever be that cheap again. People have purchased the ECC at a low price yet 30 years from now perhaps it will be given away free with the purchase of something else, one just never knows. I feel your frustration but I am one who is happy others are getting a good deal, instead of saying why didn't i get that great deal.

-Dan

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 11 2012 5:55 PM

Paul Knopf:

Here's what I encountered: paid $500 for Hermeneia on pre-pub, paid $129 for the first upgrade (Matt 1-7, Mark, Acts) totaling more than this deal and netting less (with this deal you get continental commentaries too). Anyone else in the same boat as me?  This is a great deal, but seemingly punishes us who purchased through pre-pub.

Let me see if I can put this in perspective.  I feel your pain, but.... Here's is what everyone else has encountered.  There must a dozen Logos resources that I paid more for than they later cost in some special sale - hundreds of dollars more for some such as the NICOT/NICNT.  I also paid hunderds of dollars more for Word Biblical  Commentary than you can buy it for today.  I paid for more for Spurgeon's Sermons than the new updated files are going to cost.  I could go on and on.  I hope you get the point.

I believe those resources were worth every penney that I paid for them, and I do not resent those who got a better deal.

Do you expect a life-time best price guarantee?  Did you get such a guanratee for you car or house or TV?   

If it has been less than 30 days since you bought it, Logos will refund your money.  Otherwise, I feel your pain.

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Paul Knopf | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 11 2012 9:01 PM

In light of your comments, I suppose I feel a little foolish.  And the word "punish" was definitely the wrong word.  I don't want others to pay more and I don't expect a lifetime price guarantee, but I guess the lesson I learn here is to view the prepub prices with suspicion.  I believe that logos has matched/refunded prices in the past (based on some comments in these forums) and I was feeling things out to see if I could somehow benefit from this particular sale.  I did place a call in to sales and was told to expect a response tomorrow.  

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 6:47 AM

Paul Knopf:
I guess the lesson I learn here is to view the prepub prices with suspicion

You didn't do that already? In the beginning of last year the Complete Jewish Bible shipped for $25.95. By the end of the year it was on sale for $10 (and still is). I think the same thing happened to other Bibles. The Daily Deal on Twitter is probably in many or most cases cheaper than the prepub price. And some Bible Commentary upgrades will of course be much cheaper if you wait for the next base package upgrade. At the end of the day it's no different than buying a new TV on a sale: you don't know until afterwards if you really managed to hit the lowest price possible.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 7:30 AM

fgh:

You didn't do that already? In the beginning of last year the Complete Jewish Bible shipped for $25.95. By the end of the year it was on sale for $10 (and still is). I think the same thing happened to other Bibles. The Daily Deal on Twitter is probably in many or most cases cheaper than the prepub price. And some Bible Commentary upgrades will of course be much cheaper if you wait for the next base package upgrade. At the end of the day it's no different than buying a new TV on a sale: you don't know until afterwards if you really managed to hit the lowest price possible.

And I was thinking that Logos said that the pre-pub price is the lost price they sell a resource, but I cannot find any statement like it.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 7:39 AM

tom collinge:
And I was thinking that Logos said that the pre-pub price is the lost price they sell a resource

When did you and I start taking Logos' statements as Gospel truth? Stick out tongue

tom collinge:
but I cannot find any statement like it.

It's there, but I'm too lazy to go looking for it right now.

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 7:41 AM

tom collinge:

And I was thinking that Logos said that the pre-pub price is the lo[we]st price they sell a resource, but I cannot find any statement like it.

 

Logos used to state this.  But as the result of criticism, it stopped making this claim.

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Brent Hoefling | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 8:50 AM

i have sent an email asking about this to customer service, but have not heard back yet.  i seem to have all the hermeneia in my library (many years of purchases.  but the two sets do not appear grayed out.  so it had me concerned.  especially since, i apparently only need the continental set to complete these.

was hoping to hear back from logos to help me verify.  with a large post-portfolio-sized library, it is hard to manage individual resourses when sets/deals come up, and ibhave been purchasin/investing since the beginning.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 11:03 AM

I changed my mind about how many titles I find interesting, as You can see in: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/51759/381511.aspx#381511 There isn't as many interesting items as 7,322 pages in the OT and 10,004 pages in the Bible (and I think the Ignatius of Antioch -volume is no good).

I'm still negotiating with a sales rep about saving on my orders.

Unix:
The interesting items in the offer are OT 7,322 pages, Bible + Ignatius of Antioch 10,004 pages.

 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 5:09 PM

Paul Knopf:

In light of your comments, I suppose I feel a little foolish.  And the word "punish" was definitely the wrong word.  I don't want others to pay more and I don't expect a lifetime price guarantee, but I guess the lesson I learn here is to view the prepub prices with suspicion.  I believe that logos has matched/refunded prices in the past (based on some comments in these forums) and I was feeling things out to see if I could somehow benefit from this particular sale.  I did place a call in to sales and was told to expect a response tomorrow.  

Well Paul I do hope you get some satisfaction there...

-dan

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