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Cynthia McDaniel | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 10 2012 6:52 AM

Are there any plans to include "The Voice" by Thomas Nelson publishing house? 

I've seen the NT side and would like to get the OT as well.  But what would be even better is to have the abilities of Logos in reading and studying it.   

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 7:09 AM

I would love to see this in Logos!

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 9:22 AM

There's too many biased versions in the Logos software already. Why can't they instead include a less biased version: 1989 Revised English Bible, that is also used more and more complete?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 9:54 AM

Unix:
Why can't they instead include a less biased version: 1989 Revised English Bible

Presumably because it's published by Oxford University Press. Logos hasn't been able to contract anything from OUP for years. I don't know if they refuse to work with Logos anymore, or if they simply make demands that Logos can't meet, but something is clearly wrong between them. And I'm pretty sure it's not for Logos' lack of trying. Many of the most asked for books are published by OUP, so Logos has some very good incentives for trying their very best.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 10:06 AM

Unix:
There's too many biased versions in the Logos software

Every version is "biased." There is no such thing as an "unbiased" translation. Calling one translation as more "accurate" reveals ones personal biases. NOTE: the "biases" may be more doctrinal (i.e. one prefers translations that are perceived to agree with doctrinal positions) or philosophical (i.e. one prefers translations that use preferred translation methods).

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 10:17 AM

For the uninformed (like me):

http://www.thomasnelson.com/the-voice-new-testament-1.html

and why it's a little different:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/new-english-translation-of-bible-omits-jesus-christ-apostle-73325/

 

 

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 11:00 AM

DMB:

The money-quote:  

"Unfortunately, not since the release of the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures in 1950 has there been a bible published that so blatantly mangles and distorts God's Word in order to support a peculiar and aberrant theological agenda," reads a review on ET's site.

 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 11:18 AM

alabama24:
There is no such thing as an "unbiased" translation.

Correct.  I've heard on theologian say it this way: "Every translation is in fact a commentary."

That may be pushing the edges, but it gets the point across.

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Philana Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 11:36 AM

The Voice does not take out Jesus Christ but translates Christ as "The Annointed One" which is what it means. Here is a link that further explains: http://www.christianpost.com/news/theologians-ok-with-bible-translation-replacing-jesus-christ-angel-73556/

This all started when CNN and USA Today published articles with a very provocative but inaccurate title.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 12:09 PM

Wasn't my intent to imply criticism in the above refs; just hadn't heard of it before. And indeed I frequently make the conversion of 'Christ' and 'annointed'.

I will say, though 'messiah' and 'Christ' are not likely equivalents in the NT when written (emphasis on 'likely'). Though indeed language-wise they're equivalents and probably for today's theologians they're the same also.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 10 2012 12:11 PM

@alabama24 & Doc B: Yeah I know those things. I know many things about Bibles. I can imagine some things OUP and Logos might disagree.

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Hal J. Stephens | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 10 2012 3:22 PM

Revised English Bible is in Pre-Pub. Go ahead and order so we can download! :)
http://www.logos.com/product/24537/the-revised-english-bible-with-the-apocrypha 

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Jeffrey S. Robison | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 10:14 PM

Several threads criticizing a new translation. That is nothing new. I have enjoyed reading my paperback copy. The answer to "they removed Christ" is simple. They made a conscious  choice not to transliterate anything. They do not transliterate "baptism" before Acts chapter 2 either. But after that they use baptism to differentiate between the ritual cleansing and the ordinance/sacrament of Christian baptism.They italicize anything used to "amplify" the text. Does not the KJV even use this same translation technique? There are plenty of footnotes documenting many translation choices. There is a half page explaining why they translated the beginning of John the way they did. They do not hide the fact that it is a dynamic equivalence and not a formal equivalence translation.

I wonder is those being so critical have even read much from the translation? This thread went from a question posted as a request to have this added to Logos to attacking the translation and hijacking the thread to promote the REB.

I am about as theologically conservative a Baptist as they come and I am re-asking the question: Are there any plans to include "The Voice" by Thomas Nelson publishing house?

I will buy it if it is added.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 13 2013 11:28 PM

At one time in the forums the users agreed that we wouldn't disparage others' suggestions. We would add comments that we also wanted it or provide links to reviews or add additional suggestions to the thread.

Given the recent problems with tone of posts in the forums, I would suggest that at least until things have settled down, we go back to something similar to that agreement. It may help get the tone of the forums back to normal - both its best and its warts.

Just my thought - not even as strong as a request.

PS. I think I would also buy the translation.

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David Christensen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 3:17 PM

Any idea when or if this translation will be included? What may be holding this addition up? 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 21 2014 3:58 PM

David Christensen G.:

Any idea when or if this translation will be included? What may be holding this addition up? 

Welcome to the forums. Logos rarely tells us of a resource until they have negotiated rights to it and it appears in pre-pub.

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David Christensen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 21 2014 5:47 AM

Appreciate it, Thx. 

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Peter Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2015 3:18 PM

PLEASE make the Voice Translation available

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Kenute P. Curry | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 15 2015 2:43 PM

For those of you who do not know THE VOICE BIBLE is available on VYRSO:

https://vyrso.com/product/51584/the-voice-bible-step-into-the-story-of-scripture 

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Jason Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 3 2016 6:11 PM

Amen to this post!

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