Journals: The poor cousin that few seem to care about any more!

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2012 12:43 PM

WARNING: Rant

The bright star of Logos and other Bible programmes was that we could get Galaxie Theological Journals. Galaxie trail blazed the way bringing this incredible resource to our desktops.  I remember some of the Logos Marketing spin quoting Mark Driscoll stating the virtues of journals over commentaries.  It was and still is one of the most potent resources for my research.

Now a few years later after quoting Mark, it appears that journals are the poor cousin that gets little attention.  Previously we got the lastest journals update about Christmas time.  We are already half way through 2012 and we still haven't received last year's volumes.  Themelios, which I was delighted that Logos picked up, hasn't done an update since last April. BAR hasn't been updated in years now.

Am I the only one left that cares about this resource?  In the absence of information from Logos, I have to wonder. The Galaxie journals update went into 'production' with a delivery date then went back into contract and the explanation was that there was problems with the text or something.  OK that was a couple of months ago, but there's not even a delivery date yet. We are getting to the point that the next volume could easily be included.  

I mean really... how hard can tagging journals be?  They aren't that complicated.  Is the quest for delivering every other type of resource under the sun along with all the other initiatves killing off this incredible resource?  I would really like to see this return to a reasonable production cycle.  Are there others that feel the same, or has journals become the poor cousin that few seem to care about any more?  

Sorry for the rant. I am sure that I will get told off for misunderstanding what is going on, but there has been precious little communicated on this that I can find.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 1:07 PM

Donovan R. Palmer:
Am I the only one left that cares about this resource?

You are not. This has been discussed in at least one other thread, but Logos still has not shed any real light on the subject. Do not understand how Hampton with limited resources could accomplish what the entire Logos company cannot.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 2:02 PM

Donovan R. Palmer:
 It was and still is one of the most potent resources for my research.

Donovan R. Palmer:
there's not even a delivery date yet. We are getting to the point that the next volume could easily be included.

YesYesYes

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 2:10 PM

In an email from Bob about a month ago, he said he thought Galaxie was handling this, not Logos. 

Still, we are over halfway through the year and they are still not available.  It makes me wonder, again, if Logos has their hands in too many things.  I have my own rants, that I will not unleash on any of you right now, that I would like to see solved.  A few years ago the customer service and communication at Logos was pristine.  It seems today that it simply is not a priority anymore.

I canceled my prepub a few months back, with so many CP things coming out it doesn't make sense to allocate that money to what has so far been a standstill project.

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Brooks Cochran | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 2:15 PM

I agree. When Hampton was in charge it was clean, neat, & simple. You could depend on having the CD (I know CD's are a relic of the past) by Thanksgiving. Hampton always tried to have the material ready in time for the JETS and SBL conventions.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 2:36 PM

I too always look forward to and enjoy the Galaxie Journals.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 2:46 PM

Everett Headley:
In an email from Bob about a month ago, he said he thought Galaxie was handling this, not Logos. 

 

The Galaxie web site says "All Galaxie Logos products are now sold through the Logos online store. Please visit http://www.logos.com/galaxie to order." Also note that all tech support is now handled through them.

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Randy Lane | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 5:03 PM

Donovan R. Palmer:

I mean really... how hard can tagging journals be?  They aren't that complicated.  Is the quest for delivering every other type of resource under the sun along with all the other initiatves killing off this incredible resource?  I would really like to see this return to a reasonable production cycle.  Are there others that feel the same, or has journals become the poor cousin that few seem to care about any more?  

Sorry for the rant. I am sure that I will get told off for misunderstanding what is going on, but there has been precious little communicated on this that I can find.

When it got pulled out a few months ago a developer freely responded here that "We have found some significant problems in the text", which does not remotely even suggest it is a "tagging" problem.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/49312.aspx?PageIndex=1

Be remininded these materials come from a wide variety of sources. With each passing year content customization to fit needs more specifically or support unique and useful features is less expensive and easier. So I am not surprised that standardizing such content from such a vast number of sources presents more difficulty than it did even just one two years ago. I work in the data warehousing industry, where it is the full time task of content incorporaters to do just what Logos has to do for these resourses. I know what I am talking aobut here. I am not just speculalting.

 

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 5:11 PM

BAR is not interested in creating a new DVD update. I've spoken with them. If they understood that it could just be electronic, that might be better, but it's unlikely to be updated. Alas.

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 5:16 PM

In speaking with Galaxie they say that they have nothing to do with its development or publication anymore.  In response to that conversation I contacted Logos, who said Galaxie was responsible.  After that conversation is when I contacted Bob.  Still,  the fact remains that the latest collection is past due and that the communication on when, if, why, etc has been slow.

 

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 12 2012 11:38 PM

Randal M Lane:
Be remininded these materials come from a wide variety of sources. With each passing year content customization to fit needs more specifically or support unique and useful features is less expensive and easier. So I am not surprised that standardizing such content from such a vast number of sources presents more difficulty than it did even just one two years ago. I work in the data warehousing industry, where it is the full time task of content incorporaters to do just what Logos has to do for these resourses.

Agreed. I am fully aware of the mechanics of what goes on in relation to managing this data.  It is speculation though to say handling this text is beyond Logos' capability though.  They are handling tens of thousands of pages of data now annually particularly with all the public domain stuff that is being cranked out and so in comparison, could this project be taxing their abilities?  Regardless, Themelios which was updated last year hasn't even had a new update go on pre pub. It's really sad to see the growing absence of BAR, which was another gem to have in your library.

My point is, do people still want these resources?  It seems from the silence that they are getting little attention.  I also recall tons of marketing from Logos how this was one of their most popular add ons, a quote from Mark Driscoll, etc.  If the user base doesn't speak up or there is some great plan that we don't know about, it is not inconceivable that they will just disappear. This would be a pity because they are good value on many levels.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 12:24 AM

Donovan R. Palmer:
 If the user base doesn't speak up

I want to continue to see the Journals in Logos....

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 12:43 AM

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 2:19 AM

I too miss the journals and would like to see more attention given to them.

Charlene

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Jerry Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 3:07 AM

Donovan R. Palmer:
My point is, do people still want these resources?  It seems from the silence that they are getting little attention.  I also recall tons of marketing from Logos how this was one of their most popular add ons, a quote from Mark Driscoll, etc.  If the user base doesn't speak up or there is some great plan that we don't know about, it is not inconceivable that they will just disappear. This would be a pity because they are good value on many levels.

As a long-time Logos user for research and writing, the Journals would be my #1 resource! I'm waiting!

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 6:05 AM

Ok, you got me to speak up. I think the journals are the best value going. The scholarship, breadth and depth of articles and the usefulness to seminary students, like me, is incredible. I too am waiting patiently but really would like to see this product released.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 8:59 AM

Donovan R. Palmer:
It's really sad to see the growing absence of BAR

Yes

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Donald G. Fisher | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 9:26 AM

I have all of the previous journals and cancelled my pre-pub as well.  By far the journals are the highlight of what I enjoy reading.  Since I have recently acquired an iPad, I will not be purchasing any books through Logos which does not have access to a mobile device.  I rarely use my computer now and the thought of having to go back to reading off of a laptop is not pleasant.

I also have the BAR journals which are mentioned in this thread.  Again, it is to bad that these frequently used resources are going by the way-side. 

 

Don

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 9:38 AM

I am a very dedicated collector of journals in Logos, and I share the disappointment at the lack of updates. More than that, I would really like to see the scope of journals expanded significantly. I would love to see these.

* The Bible Translator. Technical Papers (ISSN 0260-0935)
* Bulletin for Biblical Research (ISSN 1065-223X)
* Expository Times (ISSN 1745-5308; Internet edition)
* Journal for the Renewal of Religion and Theology (ISSN 1834-3627)
* Journal for the Study of the New Testament (ISSN 0142-064X)
* Journal for the Study of the Old Testament (ISSN 0309-0892)
* Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha (ISSN 1745-5286)

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Donald G. Fisher | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 13 2012 10:59 AM

For those who use the theological journals I did put into a Word document that has the indexes and articles of each of the journals.  This was done in the Spring and in case some haven't heard.  Here is the link to the to zip files:

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46253.aspx

 

Don

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