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Rev. Michael L. Burns | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 11:51 AM

Mick,

I have enjoyed your comments and ideas about using OneNote for notkeeping as well as the comments of all others that have contributed to the discussion. You mention a OneNote notebokk that you have created and use regurely. Is it possible to get a copy of the notebook so I, and possibly others, will not have to completely reinvent the wheel?

Currently I have no real organization to my bible study notes in OneNote but do use it to keep exstensive notes on passages under study. I then create a link from that passage in a Logos 4 note file to the appropriate passage in Onenote. I can then click on the link in Logos 4 and jump almost instantly to the notes I have compiled for that passage in OneNote. Works great.

For those using both OneNote and Logos 4, here is an example of what I'd do. There's probrably a simpler way but this is how I do it. Say for instance I am have Logos 4 open and am studying Romans 1:1-7. In OneNote I create a page in my study notebook for Romans 1:1-7. I then create a link to this page in OneNote. Next I copy this to a Work document and then right-click on the link and edit the link if I want to change its name to make it more meaningful. I then copy the link from Word into the note file I'm using in Logos 4. From there on in, I can click the link in my Logos 4 note file and it jumps to the appropriate place in OneNote.

I love this linking capability because it works in the opposite direction as well. I can create a link to a specific location in a Logos 4 resource (bible, commentary, etc) and paste it into Word, edit it to give it a meaningful name and then past it into OneNote. From there on in I can click the link in OneNote and jump directly to the resource location in Logos 4.

Thus my note files in Logos 4 are very minimal, mostly containing links to OneNote, locations withing specific resources and links to web pages.

Michael

 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 4 2010 12:32 PM

RevMichaelLBurns:
For those using both OneNote and Logos 4, here is an example of what I'd do

 

Thanks Michael.  At some point, I may jump back into OneNote.  LaRosa gave me the "fire" to do it, but i just drifted away from it.  I have never linked anything to anything.  I need to try it.  It seems a bit of a pain, but probably not, once i get used to it.  One of the reasons I have gone back to L4 is Clippings.  I just love that, even though some functionality is limited (text manipulation, organizing, etc). I mean, I really love it.  "Notes" is a bit different.  I am a bit indifferent about it.  They really almost need to merge Notes and Clippings in some fashion.  I really like that htey are automatically (for the most part) in "My Content" now.

 

That said, there are a lot of advantages to One Note.  I wish it could somehow be embedded.  It just takes up too much room.  and it can't be "tabbed behind" other applications in L4.  It just takes up whatever space you give it, and that is it.  Docking it is okay, but it is to stinkin' skinny.

 

I like your plea to send us the templates, or whatever.  that is a good idea.  (for us!)

 

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Rev. Michael L. Burns | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 5 2010 7:55 AM

Not sure how to edit my original post so I will do it this way.

I failed to mention yesterday that I follow the same basic procedure to put links in Wordsearch 8 and Bibileworks 8 note files to jump to my more detailed notes in OneNote 2010. Actually, if I am studying Romans 1:1-7 in Logos 4, I creat the link as mentioned in yesterday's post so I can jump to my notes in OneNote. I then usually copy the link that I created in Logos 4 and pasteit  into a Wordsearch and Bibleworks note file, thus whichever program I am using (Logos 4, Bibleworks or Wordsearch) if I am studying Romans 1:1-7 again, I can quickly jump to a common area where my notes aere kept.

Thus my actual note taking in the individual Bible study applications is kept at a minimum and my notes are kept neatly in one place accesable from eithr and/or all of my bible study applications.

Oh, I just love OneNote.

Michael

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:17 PM

RevMichaelLBurns:
I have enjoyed your comments and ideas about using OneNote for notkeeping as well as the comments of all others that have contributed to the discussion. You mention a OneNote notebokk that you have created and use regurely. Is it possible to get a copy of the notebook so I, and possibly others, will not have to completely reinvent the wheel?

Michael, I am really just getting started setting up my notes in OneNote so I really don't have a sample to provide. I only have ideas that I am working with and will modify as I actually set them up. But I can share my structure ideas that  iam working on so far if you would like.

First I will probably have two notebooks, one for OT and one for NT. The tabs on the top will be the Books. Then the pages down the right side wlll match the Books pericopes. Then if needed I will have sub-pages within that set of verses. An example would be a Tab for the Book of Genesis. A page on the right would have Genesis 1:1-2:3 (The Creation of the Wordl). Then if I wanted specific notes to words or other resources pertaing to Genesis 1:1 alone I would create a sub-page for those. So it is kind of a tree level approach going from a Book to a set of verses (in my case teh verses that make up that pericope) to individual verses. Another sub-page on any page could have research notes and information from other authors along with the source information for footnotes and copyrights.

I hope this will give you an idea of what I am thinking and hope you gives you some ideas as well. Since notes can be linked and tagged in OneNote and hopefully to Logos 4 "notes," then it will be a powerful combination of tools to keep track of everything I have read and its copyright source.

I am also experimenting with voice recognition so that I can read notes into OneNote if I do not have a source document to copy from.

Yours in Christ, Mick

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:26 PM

MichaelFinch:
I am also experimenting with voice recognition so that I can read notes into OneNote if I do not have a source document to copy from.

I was playing around with the one in Win 7.  It has its merits, but overall, pretty useless, at least with my set up.  Sometimes it flowed well, other times, it would NEVER get the letter (I had resorted to spelling one word) I kept saying, no matter what I did.  Arrrrgh.  Are you trying Dragon?

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:28 PM

RevMichaelLBurns:
For those using both OneNote and Logos 4, here is an example of what I'd do. There's probrably a simpler way but this is how I do it. Say for instance I am have Logos 4 open and am studying Romans 1:1-7. In OneNote I create a page in my study notebook for Romans 1:1-7. I then create a link to this page in OneNote. Next I copy this to a Work document and then right-click on the link and edit the link if I want to change its name to make it more meaningful. I then copy the link from Word into the note file I'm using in Logos 4. From there on in, I can click the link in my Logos 4 note file and it jumps to the appropriate place in OneNote.

Follow-up with Michael,

I would appreciate very much if you could provide "detailed" steps on how you link Logos 4 to a note in OneNote. I don't seem to be able to grasp what you are doing in the above steps. If you could find the time to help everyone interested in this approcah it would be a great help.

Thanks, Mick

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:30 PM

Dan DeVilder:
It has its merits, but overall, pretty useless, at least with my set up.

I was testing one out that did fairly well in English ... except that it always gave a Chinese character for "gin". DrinksSurprise

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:37 PM

MJ. Smith:

Dan DeVilder:
It has its merits, but overall, pretty useless, at least with my set up.

I was testing one out that did fairly well in English ... except that it always gave a Chinese character for "gin". DrinksSurprise

the devil is in the details . . .

 

I am using a built in mic on my laptop--that COULD be part of the problem, but it was more than that.  However, I no longer remember that mind numbing day. . . .Super Angry

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:42 PM

Dan DeVilder:
I am using a built in mic on my laptop--that COULD be part of the problem, but it was more than that. 

I have a headset with a mic. It works very well and going through the testing phase it has not made a mistake. I am uning with Windows 7 speech recognition.

My wife and I live a two hour drive apart right now. I can set-up my laptop in the passenger side of the car and dictate to it and then edit the document or notes when I arrive at my destination. No looking at the computer screen while driving.Surprise

 

Thanks, Mick

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Rob Kuefner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:42 PM

I'm still playing with the whole OneNote, Logos question myself... I was starting to create a notebook in OneNote that would be Lectionary based--- ie. a different section for each of the years of the 3 year lectionary, with the pericope running on the tabs down the side... and then I was going to created sub notes under these that I gathered from Logos, the web, etc. Not sure if it's something I want to do. I'm considering making a clippings file that has each of the pericope reading sections as a clipping title, and then store info there... seems like a possible solution for Logos as my note taking tool. I'm following most of the discussion about notes, Logos, and OneNote, trying to decide upon a final way before putting too much time with all my efforts having to be redone. I did want to let everyone know that someone put together a OneNote Notebook with the ESV and also the NKJV which you can download and import into One Note.  You'll find the link here....

 

http://www.tabletbible.com/

Blessings, Rob

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 2:55 PM

Robert C. Kuefner Jr.:
I'm still playing with the whole OneNote, Logos question myself

Rob,

I would use Logos 4 for all notes and will use it for notes I want to show up in my Logos 4 resources. It is that sometimes my notes on a subject can be extrensive and that is where I will use OneNote to link to Logos 4. What I really like about OneNote is the way it can assist in organize thoughts and allows me to incorporate research. Then I have everything in one place and when I am writing in Word I have links to Logos 4 notes and OneNote notes complete with research and copyright information.

Thanks. Mick

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 3:12 PM

Robert C. Kuefner Jr.:
I'm considering making a clippings file that has each of the pericope reading sections as a clipping title, and then store info there.

 

Rob, you may want to decide if this proposal meets your needs, but: I noticed my clippings were showing up in "My Content" in the Passage Guide in the Beta version (which will probably be in regular version soon).  What I don't know is how that is generated.  I know that my clippings started out as commentary clips, so it may have registered them that way.  But I had other books clipped into them, too.  The point being, they were topically titled: Olivet Discourse, keys to kingdom, etc.  But all showed up under the pericope of study.  For Matthew 24, I had several clipping files.  That way I woulnd't have to search through one giant file.  But they all fell under the Matthew 24 pericopes' umbrella.

 

I would like to h ave clarified how clippings get tied to the PG . . .

 

As for OneNote, I have kept most of my research notes in Notes and Clippings, and not OneNote.  That is still an open ended question: should I dock it to my window and use my Logos, Pradis and other research applications next to it, funneling all notes into it?  I really like Clippings.  And making links seems like a big pain, unless you have to do it.  So I would prefer to keep most in house (Logos 4).  What I don't like is the clunky way to print Notes (L4) etc.  That is my biggest stumbling block.

That said, if i DON'T move all to One Note, this is still something I will do: use it as Michael said, to organize my thoughts.  I have it open alongside L4 and I sift through Clippings and L4 Notes and put what I want into OneNote. But I can rearrange info easily within that, PLUS I can make sub pages that pull together illustrations or images I might find for sermon day. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 3:15 PM

MichaelFinch:

Dan DeVilder:
I am using a built in mic on my laptop--that COULD be part of the problem, but it was more than that. 

I have a headset with a mic. It works very well and going through the testing phase it has not made a mistake. I am uning with Windows 7 speech recognition.

My wife and I live a two hour drive apart right now. I can set-up my laptop in the passenger side of the car and dictate to it and then edit the document or notes when I arrive at my destination. No looking at the computer screen while driving.Surprise

 

Thanks, Mick

wow.  I may have to try that again.  the "testing" went fine for me, but the actually DOING did not.  Like i said, at times it was pretty good. But one day it was just awful.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2010 3:23 PM

RevMichaelLBurns:
Not sure how to edit my original post so I will do it this way.

Michael, [if you have not discovered this as of yet] we have about 10 hours to edit our posts.

In the upper right hand corner of your post are the two buttons "Reply" & "More"

Click on "More" and you will see a menu wilth "edit" as one of the choices.

Scroll down to where you have typed your message and make any corrections desired.

Hope this helps.

Regards, SteveF

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jwsheets | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2010 3:56 PM

MichaelFinch:

What type of interface do you use with Word for writing?

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2010 4:16 PM

JamesSheets:

MichaelFinch:

What type of interface do you use with Word for writing?

James,

Here is the link to the software I use.

http://www.recipes4word.com/

Thanks, Mick

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Rev. Michael L. Burns | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2010 4:58 PM

Mick,

For simplicity's sake, lets assume that I am going to be doing a series of expository studies on the Book of Romans. I could create a new notebook called Romans and in that book I would creat a section called "Notes". I would then add a tab down the right side in the follow manner, "Chapter 01, Chapter 02, etc, one tab for each chapter in the book. The numbers following the word Chapter are merely to force sort or.

Now suppose I am doing a study on Romans 1:1-7. I would creat a new page titled Romans 01:1-7. It would appear at the bottom of the list of tabs on the right. I would then drag it up the list and drop it just after the Rpmans tab. I would then right click on the tab for Romans 01:1-7 and make it a subpage. Now I have a universal place foir all my notes on Romans 01:1-7.

Next I right click on the subpage tab for Romans 01:1-7 and select "Copy link to page". This creates a link to this location. I then open MS Word and past this link to a blank page. Then I right-click the link and select edit link and rename the link if so desired to make it more descriptive (Has to be done here. Can't be done in Logos 4).. Then I close the edit link dialog and highlite and copy the link again. At this time I switch over to Logos 4 where I am doing my actual studies in Romans, in this case, Romans 1:1-7. You then paste this OneNote link into whatever note file your using at whatever point you choose.

In my case, since I do extensive note taking in OnenOte, in Logos I have  a note file called "Reference Notes" which I keep open and it contains a line for each book of the Bible. Since in this case I am doing a study in Romans I would add the link following the line for the book of Romans.

From this point forward, anytime I hold down the control key and click on the link, it opens OneNote to the specific passage under study, in this case, Romans 01:1-7, and I can start recording my notes. I just repeat this process to create a note page in OneNote and a link to it from Logos 4. A major drawback in using this method is that the notes are not searchable from within Logos 4. For me, this is a minor irritation when I consider the tradeoffs.

Through the years, due to various books purchased and strengths and weaknesses of various programs, I have come to do my sermon and bible study preperation using a combination of four main programs, Logos 3, Logos 4, Wordsearch and BibleWorks. Until I started using OneNote I kept notes in the various programs and oftenn forgot which program had a particular nottation. I found myself creating the note in the application with the best note taking capabilites and then copying and pasting into each of the other applicatrions note files. This was time consumming a poor use of resources.

But now, once I creat the link as recorded above, I can paste it into a note file in all four application and click on it in either and go directly to the applicable notes in OneNote. Thus, all my notes are in one location and reachable from each bible program and I don't have to remember where I recorded them.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, by following a similar procedure you can creat a link in Logos 4 to a particul place within a particular resource location and then use that link by reversing the process above and paste the link into OneNote at the appropriate place and from then on, if you clicked on that link in OneNote it would take you to that resource and location in Logos 4.

Hope this gives you sokme idea how to use links with Onenote and Logos 4.

Michael

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Michael Birney | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:23 AM

Michael, I do basically what you do, a few variations.  I have an OT and NT section, then section groups of books of bible, then within the section group I can have a who section of each book of bible, then I can have a tab for each section of scripture I preach on.  I am preaching through the Psalms lately so this weeks looks like this: Preaching (notebook) / Old Testament (section) / OT(2) Kings - Proverbs (section group)  / (19)Psalms (section) / Psalm 46 (tab)

But what I want to thank you for is the linking - I was not linking at all to L4, hand't figured that out, but I tried it out this morning and it works great - I'll be working on updating my referent notes with my onenote links later today!  Thanks!

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Doug | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 7:04 AM

Yes, I too want to thank you for this info.  This is not as good (for me) as having great note taking ability from within L4.  However, it is better than what I have been attempting.  Also, for someone like you, who uses many Bible study programs, this is ingenious. 

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Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:16 PM

RevMichaelLBurns:

As I mentioned in my earlier post, by following a similar procedure you can creat a link in Logos 4 to a particul place within a particular resource location and then use that link by reversing the process above and paste the link into OneNote at the appropriate place and from then on, if you clicked on that link in OneNote it would take you to that resource and location in Logos 4.

Hope this gives you sokme idea how to use links with Onenote and Logos 4.

Michael,

This helped and it works great. Thanks for taking the time to provide this detail.

Thanks, Mick

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