Logos Is Too Expensive

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 6:51 AM

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 6:52 AM

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 9:03 AM

Chris Roberts:
Other companies have the same expense needs for developers, servers, support, etc, yet manage to sell public domain resources at less than a tenth the price. 

A little-known tid-bit is that many times Logos pays to have a public domain work typed for the first time, then another company grabs the files and uses those keystrokes for their edition. So some of the things that are much cheaper are only that way because Logos first absorbed the keyboarding costs.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 10:02 AM

Bob Pritchett:

Chris Roberts:
Other companies have the same expense needs for developers, servers, support, etc, yet manage to sell public domain resources at less than a tenth the price. 

A little-known tid-bit is that many times Logos pays to have a public domain work typed for the first time, then another company grabs the files and uses those keystrokes for their edition. So some of the things that are much cheaper are only that way because Logos first absorbed the keyboarding costs.

Yes some less reputable companies do that, and Logos has the right to make money on ALL resources  it sells, some people have been wondering why the PD resources are priced so high, as I understand it (forgive me if i am wrong) PD works do not go into production till enough orders are place in Community Pricing to cover production costs. If production costs are covered by CP, then why do they get priced so high after they are made and things like what happened in march madness this year.

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Spurgeon's Treasury of David back after march madness, I can sort of understand the complete collection not being in the sale but I cannot fathom why Treasury of David as a set is not in the sale, I would have gladly purchased it withe the discount, but Logos trying to tell me they are giving me a great deal selling me  each individual volume of the TOD for about $20 each when they always sell all 6 volumes together for a regular price of 59.99???? Sorry I see little logic in them breaking up a set setting some huge price per volume and then allowing you to have a discount via a promotion that ends up you paying almost double regular pricing???? I wonder how many other "Bargains" Logos is  offering that in effect work out to much more than their regular prices.

So you see why  people are concerned with the pricing strategy of PD books.

-dan

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Joel Reed | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:18 AM

I can't help but feel like much of the discussion here has been wasted, because most of the users on this forum have been long time buyers of Logos software and will obviously defend their decision to buy the program. I don't mean to be rude, but my family runs on a single income, and my wife stays at home to school our little boy. That being said it is incredibly hard to find the extra resources to purchase a decent Bible Software program to grow in our faith. Keep in mind that Logos aren't the only 'Christian Businesses' charging an arm and a leg for their resources ... but they are certainly one of the biggest. I think one of my biggest beefs with Logos is the fact that they are taking up such a large share of the Christian Software market when it could instead be filled with something much better, like an Open Source Bible Program. Perhaps my point is getting a bit off topic, but I always thought Christians were supposed to gather together to make our community of believers stronger by working together towards a goal. Unfortunately all I see is a secular company monopolizing on the Christian buyers market.

I wouldn't argue with the fact that it is good business to charge the prices they are charging ... but I don't have to agree with that philosophy.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:32 AM

Well, you're right about Logos 'lowering the bar'. These days with my other commercial Bible software, I start seeing them doing a 'Logosian'. Sigh. Pretty soon they'll all have to rename themselves to 'Kind-of-Have-Something-to-Do-With-Religious'y-Literature Software Company'.

But I'll have to give Logos credit. My other company (a) doesn't let me download all my mobile books to my PC (probably license rights?) and (b) doesn't answer emails as to why not. I'm too lazy to call them up. Easier to use Logos!

Yeh Logos!!!


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James Chandler | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:33 AM

Joel,

I appreciate your position, however I'm not that long a Logos User. Only about a year or two.  I did my research, and felt like Logos was the best bang for the buck.

I heard a pastor say once you don't need a big library to grow, start with your Bible.  If you want more a good commentary helps, a systematic theology (I like Wayne Grudem's) and a Bible Dictionary should be all you need.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:34 AM

Joel Reed:
I think one of my biggest beefs with Logos is the fact that they are taking up such a large share of the Christian Software market when it could instead be filled with something much better, like an Open Source Bible Program.

Now the truth begins to come forward.  Your sole object in posting on the forum is to bash Logos and attempt to decrease its market share.  You have at no point given any indication that you have ever even once used Logos yet you're against it.  I think your ploy is despicable and totally non-Christian.

BTW:  You called me a jerk for labelling your enterprise a hobby.  It's as though you think there is something wrong with having a hobby whereas a hobby is something you do because you enjoy it, not necessarily because you make a profit from it.  A profession is what pays the bills.  A hobby may make a contribution to paying the rent/mortgage, utilities and put food on the table, but that isn't its main object.  If anything labelling something a hobby indicates that you like it whereas you may thoroughly dislike your profession (in which case you might consider something else).

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James Chandler | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:35 AM

I think this is unnecessary.

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Sock Puppet | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:36 AM

I agree with everything Joel has said ... he is clearly a genius and potentially the greatest mind of our century.

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Joel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:39 AM

George Somsel:

Joel Reed:
I think one of my biggest beefs with Logos is the fact that they are taking up such a large share of the Christian Software market when it could instead be filled with something much better, like an Open Source Bible Program.

Now the truth begins to come forward.  Your sole object in posting on the forum is to bash Logos and attempt to decrease its market share.  You have at no point given any indication that you have ever even once used Logos yet you're against it.  I think your ploy is despicabble.

Dude, seriously, calm down ...

That was not my intent at all, so you can stop with the slander. 

I started this post because I genuinely thought Logos is too expensive ... so sue me. 

What I said in my last post was really just me thinking out loud and getting off topic so try and relax my friend.

* Oh, and thanks for all the kind words Sock Puppet ... although I don't know if I would take it that far ... Wink

 

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:45 AM

Joel Reed:

I always thought Christians were supposed to gather together to make our community of believers stronger by working together towards a goal. Unfortunately all I see is a secular company monopolizing on the Christian buyers market.

I wouldn't argue with the fact that it is good business to charge the prices they are charging ... but I don't have to agree with that philosophy.

I am starting to understand now.  Joel, I would be interested in reading your two books, as I am sure everyone here would be.  Would you mind posting them so that we can make them into Logos Personal Books?  That way we could freely distribute them, and they would have Logos tagging to boot!  Thanks in advance.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 11:49 AM

Joel Reed:
I don't have to agree with that philosophy.
No, you don't have to agree. You are entitled to be as wrong as you want to be. Even if you stand there all alone.

From the "uselessness" of the lower base packages....to the "overpricedness" of the resources beyond Portfolio; your business acumen has proven flawed. Logos has created products for a targeted market-share.

Some people would rather have a luxury car than $40,000 worth of Bible study software. Not me. When they box up my old, tired body, and plant it in the cemetery, the luxury car changes ownership but the meditation on God's word will cross over into my next abode. Logos is a tool that has eternal benefits if you will only use it. 

In a sense I agree, Logos ministers to my spiritual needs ut I maintain they are a business and NOT a ministry.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:28 PM

Joel:
* Oh, and thanks for all the kind words Sock Puppet ... although I don't know if I would take it that far ... Wink

Whose "sock puppet" is he with 1 post (here)—yours?

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:32 PM

Joel, I do not understand how you can criticize us for spending "too much" on Logos when in your book "Book of Life" your opening scene has the principal characters drinking champagne at a fine restaurant. Why is the temporal pleasure of food ok while expensive Bible software is not? I also challenge the all-knowing wisdom of any human to decide when they can "afford" to start a family (like the characters are discussing at their meal.) You see, my wife and I have 13 children under God's planning and also  afforded many 10s of thousands of dollars in Logos software. 

I guess what I am saying is a "sticky toffee" may be a luxury to some but I WANT ITALL when it comes to enjoying blessings from God. That would include having the best and most expensive Bible  software available.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:42 PM

Come on guys can we let this rest? You all have made your point - Pro Logos/Love Logos, let's move on.

Joel for my part welcome to the forum and God bless.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:49 PM

Joel (Reed) ... just a bit of advice on this forum. When you see an entry with a single post or two, don't make assumptions on who you're chatting with. It's not difficult for others to post as if they're you.


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Joel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:50 PM

Super Tramp:

Joel, I do not understand how you can criticize us for spending "too much" on Logos when in your book "Book of Life" your opening scene has the principal characters drinking champagne at a fine restaurant. Why is the temporal pleasure of food ok while expensive Bible software is not? I also challenge the all-knowing wisdom of any human to decide when they can "afford" to start a family (like the characters are discussing at their meal.) You see, my wife and I have 13 children under God's planning and also  afforded many 10s of thousands of dollars in Logos software.

I guess what I am saying is a "sticky toffee" may be a luxury to some but I WANT ITALL when it comes to enjoying blessings from God. That would include having the best and most expensive Bible  software available.

I hope you're joking. Confused

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Joel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 12:50 PM

DMB:

Joel (Reed) ... just a bit of advice on this forum. When you see an entry with a single post or two, don't make assumptions on who you're chatting with. It's not difficult for others to post as if they're you.

I am Sock Puppet ... I was just kidding around.

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