Logos Is Too Expensive

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 10:31 AM

People have to understand that companies like Logos make their money selling books. If we buy their software and never buy another book, we're a drag on their company rather than a net plus. They agreed to enter into a "contract" where they will continue to support us through the syncing of our notes, settings, and other content between multiple devices. But that costs money.

I personally bought an upgrade not because I needed the books so much but because I want Logos to work for a LONG time and aside from recommending it the best way to help is to buy stuff.

For those who think it's too expensive, as the original poster said in this thread, great. Go get something else. Enjoy using the free software out there. If you need some recommendations, come over to my web site and contact me and I'll be happy to offer suggestions based on your needs. On a Mac Logos is one of the best packages I can buy. On Windows it is as well. It's the only one that works natively and very well on both (that is in version 5).

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 3:51 PM

Super Tramp:

Your type of school is not unusual. Virtually all Independent Baptist schools will never study any of the Catholic Church Doctors. My Independent Christian Bible College never studied Wesley, Azusa Street, or Calvin. Most Pentecostal schools will not "waste time" studying what Presbyterians believe.......Devil

LOLOL I read the sentence below and because of the way the line broke I thought you were saying something more "pointed". Stick out tongue

I've actually heard some folks make the above critique...and they were Pentecostal.

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James Macleod | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 4:07 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

People have to understand that companies like Logos make their money selling books. If we buy their software and never buy another book, we're a drag on their company rather than a net plus. They agreed to enter into a "contract" where they will continue to support us through the syncing of our notes, settings, and other content between multiple devices. But that costs money.

I personally bought an upgrade not because I needed the books so much but because I want Logos to work for a LONG time and aside from recommending it the best way to help is to buy stuff.

For those who think it's too expensive, as the original poster said in this thread, great. Go get something else. Enjoy using the free software out there. If you need some recommendations, come over to my web site and contact me and I'll be happy to offer suggestions based on your needs. On a Mac Logos is one of the best packages I can buy. On Windows it is as well. It's the only one that works natively and very well on both (that is in version 5).

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't really need more books but I love what Logos is doing and want to make sure they stay in business. I love the new features as well.

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Pedro | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 5:03 PM

James Macleod:

Kevin A. Purcell:

People have to understand that companies like Logos make their money selling books. If we buy their software and never buy another book, we're a drag on their company rather than a net plus. They agreed to enter into a "contract" where they will continue to support us through the syncing of our notes, settings, and other content between multiple devices. But that costs money.

I personally bought an upgrade not because I needed the books so much but because I want Logos to work for a LONG time and aside from recommending it the best way to help is to buy stuff.

For those who think it's too expensive, as the original poster said in this thread, great. Go get something else. Enjoy using the free software out there. If you need some recommendations, come over to my web site and contact me and I'll be happy to offer suggestions based on your needs. On a Mac Logos is one of the best packages I can buy. On Windows it is as well. It's the only one that works natively and very well on both (that is in version 5).

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't really need more books but I love what Logos is doing and want to make sure they stay in business. I love the new features as well.

Same here. Thanks Logos!

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2012 6:27 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

People have to understand that companies like Logos make their money selling books. If we buy their software and never buy another book, we're a drag on their company rather than a net plus. They agreed to enter into a "contract" where they will continue to support us through the syncing of our notes, settings, and other content between multiple devices. But that costs money.

I personally bought an upgrade not because I needed the books so much but because I want Logos to work for a LONG time and aside from recommending it the best way to help is to buy stuff.

For those who think it's too expensive, as the original poster said in this thread, great. Go get something else. Enjoy using the free software out there. If you need some recommendations, come over to my web site and contact me and I'll be happy to offer suggestions based on your needs. On a Mac Logos is one of the best packages I can buy. On Windows it is as well. It's the only one that works natively and very well on both (that is in version 5).

Well said, Kevin.  Logos is expensive and worth every cent of the investment.  Actually, I would never have the theological library that I now have without Logos.  It is a bargain - not cheap, but great value.

If someone can't afford it, I understand.  There are lots of things that I want but cannot afford.  No shame in that. There are lots of wonderful free resources available, and I am thankful.

I have built my Logos library slowly over almost 20 years now.  It is the only way I could have afforded it.  Built slowly, carefully, and consistently, a Logos library can be extensive and not expensive.

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Spurgeon | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 1:44 AM

With Logos, you're paying for convenience.  If I'm going for actual value, Amazon and WTS offers better deals. Often it's not even close. I actually prefer reading printed books, especially reference ones, but can't beat the convenience of having your whole library on your computer and all that information just one click away.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 7:11 AM

Poor Seminary Student:

With Logos, you're paying for convenience.  If I'm going for actual value, Amazon and WTS offers better deals. Often it's not even close. I actually prefer reading printed books, especially reference ones, but can't beat the convenience of having your whole library on your computer and all that information just one click away.

With all of the datasets and reverse functionality...I would hardly think it fair to say you are paying for convenience.  You are paying for years of scholarship and meticulous tagging of resources.  You are paying for research plus resources.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 10:41 AM

Poor Seminary Student:
With Logos, you're paying for convenience.

The best value you get for your Logos dollar is not mere "convenience" but the fact you are getting a virtual research team that reads your whole library and returns search results in a matter of seconds. This frees up your time to digest the results and find the relative nuggets of gold. Your study time is magnified exponentially. That is more than convenience.

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 10:47 AM

Super Tramp:

Poor Seminary Student:
With Logos, you're paying for convenience.

The best value you get for your Logos dollar is not mere "convenience" but the fact you are getting a virtual research team that reads your whole library and returns search results in a matter of seconds. This frees up your time to digest the results and find the relative nuggets of gold. Your study time is magnified exponentially. That is more than convenience.

Every once in a while I will start looking for some greener grass in the Bible software pasture. It doesn't take long to return with happiness to Logos.

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 5:48 PM

I would just like to add a few simple thoughts:

1. As much as Logos charges, I must agree that their prices are simply way to high for most average folks (especially Christians) when compared to the resources of the smaller half of their package offering.

2. I remember hearing about Logos Bible software way back before I was even saved, so I'm quite certain that they have not only made enough over the years to "profit", but I'm also pretty sure that they aren't quite as heavily burdened by research and/or software writing as most of you think having had a corner on the market for a long time now.

3. Perhaps they would do better (in quantity of sales at least) by offering Ala cart packages such as 50/100/500/1,000 resources which folks decide on themselves so that we (the customers) get the most for our money.

4. 2 Corintians 2:17 "For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God." I myself wonder just how many Christians will be forced to live out a mediocre Christian life because they must choose more basic or at least more lofty priorities to spend the meager amount of money that pass through their hands on. I simply feel that Logos is exactly like one person on this thread stated, a "business".

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 6:00 PM

Welcome to the forums, Robert.  Smile

Helpful comments. 

I'm grateful for all the Logos resources I have ... for less than the print versions of everything.  Maybe some budget-minded packages are in the future.  Who knows?

Blessings.

Smile

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 6:03 PM

Robert Turpin:

I would just like to add a few simple thoughts:

1. As much as Logos charges, I must agree that their prices are simply way to high for most average folks (especially Christians) when compared to the resources of the smaller half of their package offering.

2. I remember hearing about Logos Bible software way back before I was even saved, so I'm quite certain that they have not only made enough over the years to "profit", but I'm also pretty sure that they aren't quite as heavily burdened by research and/or software writing as most of you think having had a corner on the market for a long time now.

3. Perhaps they would do better (in quantity of sales at least) by offering Ala cart packages such as 50/100/500/1,000 resources which folks decide on themselves so that we (the customers) get the most for our money.

4. 2 Corintians 2:17 "For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God." I myself wonder just how many Christians will be forced to live out a mediocre Christian life because they must choose more basic or at least more lofty priorities to spend the meager amount of money that pass through their hands on. I simply feel that Logos is exactly like one person on this thread stated, a "business".

Here is the respond to your question: http://community.logos.com/forums/thread/413124.aspx 

Bob Pritchett:

Jacques:
He feels they should be ashamed for this kind of profit-margin, it's not reasonable.

What would a reasonable profit margin be? What profit margin does your friend think Logos has?

For what it's worth, I got our third-quarter financials earlier this week. For 2012 so far, the Logos profit margin was just about 0.38%. (Not 38%. Less than half of one percent.

Now I'm not looking for sympathy -- we're fine. It's better than that most years, and the first three quarters of this year reflect a lot of investment in Logos 5 that hadn't yet generated any revenue. (That's what we're doing now!) I expect we'll end the year with solid single-digit profitability, and we've beaten that in the past.

But the point is, we have to sell something in order to be here to serve you into the future. It's insanely expensive to develop software, especially when you have to develop the same software on Mac, Windows, Android/Kindle, iPhone/iPad, Web (and now Windows 8 RT!) simultaneously. While offering free support.

So I'll take the criticism that we're always trying to sell you more books -- it's true, and it's the only way we get paid. Though, at every upgrade cycle, it does condemn us to a lot of impassioned forum conversations about the injustice of upgrade bundles. :-)

I do welcome your input on a solution. Maybe the "free software" concept was a bad idea? Few other products I have have been offering free engine updates -- in any form -- since 1995. I've bought Word, Excel, Windows, Mac OS, etc. many times in those 17 years. Should Logos just move to paid upgrades, and stop making so many books? (It might be hard to make that change after all these years, but it's an interesting question.)

I appreciate your investing in our product, and I hope that you'll continue to believe it has been a good investment. And I want you to know that we're working hard to serve you better AND ensure that we're here for decades to come to support the investment you have made. Input on how to do that is always welcome.

(My favorite idea... just convince every Christian in America to pay $3 per month... then we could offer everybody all the content, support, and continued maintenance for a very low price! The only trick is getting everyone signed up at once...) :-)

-- Bob

 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 6:09 PM

Robert Turpin:
3. Perhaps they would do better (in quantity of sales at least) by offering Ala cart packages such as 50/100/500/1,000 resources which folks decide on themselves so that we (the customers) get the most for our money.

I like the idea of picking your package, but not all publishers will allow their books to be bundled in the format that you specify.

Robert Turpin:
I simply feel that Logos is exactly like one person on this thread stated, a "business".

That what they have said. They are more like Amazon than Focus on the Family. They are Christians in business to make a profit. When the price is too high for my wallet, I leave it.

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 6:28 PM

Thanks Wild Eagle, I must admit to not having read this entire thread so I appreciate your graciousness to so quickly and readily provide me further explanation to my concern. It does make me think that rather than forcing every customer to pay for support (which some will probably never utilize), that perhaps offering continued service/support after the sale for an additional fee structure could be a great way to both help those who choose to pay for it while simultaneously lowering the cost dramatically for those of us on the tightest of budgets.

And I say Kudos indeed for the idea of polling every Christian (WORLDWIDE rather than simply in America) to hit whatever number that it takes for Logos to be able to offer their entire package for up to $5 per month. This may need to be a quite lengthy pre-paid start up program, however I truly believe in my heart that such would serve God and his children much more effectively.

By the way - their complete package which costs $4,979.95, divided by $3 per person (because not only Christians use Logos), would take each and every person over 138 years to completely pay the current price. My wife came in to speak with me in the middle of writing this, so I'm not quite sure where I was going with that point...

At any rate, Logos - Keep up the tremendous work that you are doing to further God's kingdom (there's not question that Logos software is simply the best available!), and may God richly bless each and every single human being reading this. Praise and Glory be to God and his son our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 6:36 PM

Robert Turpin:

Thanks Wild Eagle, I must admit to not having read this entire thread...

You're welcome. Bob quoted not on this thread, so you didn't have to read this entire thread. It was on different one where he gave an answer. I posted a link above. This question is very common among users and I questioned it myself before...

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Bill Moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 31 2013 7:54 PM

Another welcome to the forums, Robert. I'm sure many of us have had questions, probably most of us are fairly unaware of what all goes into making a company such as Logos function. Logos is not cheap, but it's not too expensive, in my opinion, when one considers what one gets, the sophistication of searches and links and whatnot that comprises the program. Their return policy is generous, and community pricing is a real help in acquiring quality resources, even though usually public domain, that are tagged and can be utilized in the program, not just simply PDF's to be read and clumsily searched.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 1 2013 5:35 AM

Bill Moore:

Another welcome to the forums, Robert. I'm sure many of us have had questions, probably most of us are fairly unaware of what all goes into making a company such as Logos function. Logos is not cheap, but it's not too expensive, in my opinion, when one considers what one gets, the sophistication of searches and links and whatnot that comprises the program. Their return policy is generous, and community pricing is a real help in acquiring quality resources, even though usually public domain, that are tagged and can be utilized in the program, not just simply PDF's to be read and clumsily searched.

I would add to what Bill says that, if you are patient and purchase wisely there are lots of great sales throughout the year and especially when Logos launches a new version of their software. Over the years most of my books have been purchased using some sort of significant discount because of some special. If I want a resource that costs a lot I usually put it on my wish list and wait for a sale. It doesn't always work out but this strategy has served me well.

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papa_gowgow | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 1 2013 7:57 AM

When I traded in my old mobile phone (I believe it was the Nokia brick) I had the option to upgrade to a smartphone -- the monthly payments were twice that of another Nokia and I spent some time considering my options: did I really want to pay twice as much to call people and send text messages?  In the end I went for the smartphone and a whole new world of web-surfing and app-based opportunities were opened up to me.  Yes, it was expensive, but with Android technology I was getting more than a phone, I was getting a life organiser that was worth every penny.

To my mind Logos is no different.  It is expensive, but it's not too expensive: it isn't over-priced in terms of its functionality, and for anyone who thinks it is I would encourage them to check out some of the video tutorials that are available. Logos isn't just a software package, it's a super-searchable library and sermon prep tool.

Incidentally, pairing Logos and smartphones/tablets only serves to make the Bible study experience more accessible, more simple simple and much more satisfying. Couldn't say that about the brick...

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 1 2013 8:47 AM

I read an article earlier this year entitled 'Five Reasons Not to Buy Logos'. I disagreed profoundly; my comments are here.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 1 2013 8:50 AM

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