Logos Is Too Expensive

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Kent | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 1 2013 7:14 PM

JRS:
And don't forget that Logos is diligent in correcting errors and adding new tagging/capabilities.  My library often gets updates and they are "free".

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papa_gowgow | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 12:26 AM

Super Tramp:

A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.

I'm with you on that. If anyone seriously wants to get into Bible study money is no object -- there's free software, and there are libraries stacked with commentaries and surveys.

Reading the comments on these types of threads I get the impression that some people think Logos is preventing believers and seekers from accessing the Word because of its business model. That's rubbish. What prevents people getting into Bible study is habit.

I suggest, before demanding that Logos be cheaper, people check their income and expenditures: what are they spending their money on? What could they sacrifice? It makes the acquisition all the more valuable when something has been given up in its stead.

 

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Butters | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 4:00 AM

I find this whole thread absolutely bizarre.  I'm kinda amazed that Logos has patience with this sort of thing.  

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 5:00 AM

Peace, Good Brother!         *smile*                                 Yes!                                  ...absolutely bizarre...                        I'm kinda amazed also ....       that our Beautiful God -- so filled with Love and Compassion(!!!)       -- also has an incredible sense of humour ...

                                                                          Thanks for your post, and I find your Chesterton quote very interesting -- and helpful(!) -- and right on the mark, eh???

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Geo Philips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 5:47 AM

This is the best reason to have a subscription model. But I am guessing that the subset of people who complain about high prices and at the same time, complain about things being 'in the cloud', are often one and the same.

There is often a way (as a customer) to get most of what you want (price, ease of access) etc. But there is never a way to get everything that you want (look at Google vs Amazon vs Apple). 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 5:55 AM

Geo Philips:
But there is never a way to get everything that you want (look at Google vs Amazon vs Apple). 

Geo I put it another way. You do not get what you want, when you want, the way you want.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 6:43 AM

Bruce ... I was actually doing a bad play a la the Cobert Report. I'm in the unbelievably small minority that is impressed with early Christians not having a Bible, much less an expensive software package. Few people ever wonder exactly how early followers could 'search the scriptures'. Scholars suspect even the apostolic fathers had to depend on a 'quotable quotes' cheat-sheet for their homelies.

But of course I get so mixed up, when I'm 'in the cloud'.


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Jim Wait | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 11:55 AM

Logos is one of the most valuable assets I own, worth every penny I have spent.  They are a quality company, offering a great service, and an awesome product.  I pray they don't change.  Also hope they make a substantial profit to stay in business for all my lifetime and my children's lifetime.  What greater product could we possibly dream of that enables us to continue on our journey out of Egypt to the promised land!  Yes they could become a big discounter like walmart or kmart and give up quality for quantity and get their products from china and eventually offer nothing but "junk" and treat their customers like a herd of stupid cattle.  Please don't do it Logos.  Your product is worth every penny.  Anyone who really wants it can find a way to afford it.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 12:07 PM

Jim Wait:
Anyone who really wants it can find a way to afford it.

Logos offers free books, discounts, regular sales and some sort of auction, can't remember the proper name.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 3:31 PM

Jim Wait:
Yes they could become a big discounter like walmart or kmart and give up quality for quantity and get their products from china and eventually offer nothing but "junk" and treat their customers like a herd of stupid cattle.

Geeked good analogy Wink

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 6:07 PM

papa_gowgow:

Super Tramp:

A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.

I'm with you on that. If anyone seriously wants to get into Bible study money is no object -- there's free software, and there are libraries stacked with commentaries and surveys.

Reading the comments on these types of threads I get the impression that some people think Logos is preventing believers and seekers from accessing the Word because of its business model. That's rubbish. What prevents people getting into Bible study is habit.

I suggest, before demanding that Logos be cheaper, people check their income and expenditures: what are they spending their money on? What could they sacrifice? It makes the acquisition all the more valuable when something has been given up in its stead.

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 7:11 PM

JRS:

Good grief.  How many times has this subject re: Logos Pricing come up and been answered?

I should think (and hope) until Logos finds a way for every average Christian in the world to use their software to thoroughly explore God's word. I would think that at a minimum that they could offer the core software (which I believe is already free) and include all of the Public Domain Bibles and literature to those who cannot afford to purchase it and are forced to go without.

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 8:06 PM

Super Tramp:
They just want the best for less. If they are not willing to pay for it, they don't deserve the best.

You're actually going to say that any human being does not "deserve" the word of God and such great tools to explore it? If you're a Christian friend, then just who do you believe EVERYTHING (no exceptions) belongs to? How much do you think God will commend them for creating such great tools to search his wisdom, while not doing every single thing possible to offer it to every human being on the planet? I'm not saying that they should give it all away for free, but don't stop trying to make it as cheap as possible so that even that one last person can afford it.

Super Tramp:
I do not believe the average person in the USA can not afford Logos. I believe they are not willing to sacrifice for it. I can afford it and I have a lower income than the average American.

I'm not just speaking of the US, If Logos is as great as everyone here claims then it is in fact the best bible study tool on the entire planet! That should lower the average price which can be afforded by every person down a bit should it not?

Super Tramp:

Your scripture quotation is a little out of context, as it says that the "kingdom of heaven" rather than God's word and the tools to explorer it. If you're going to charge people for that, then shouldn't every preacher simply outright charge folks a cover charge to get in and hear him teach the word of God?

Super Tramp:
On the other hand, persons living in third world countries spend a much greater percent of their income to have Logos. They are to be commended for their sacrifice.

Are you speaking of monetary sacrifice such as in the Roman Catholic system? I personally do not believe that God nor Jesus Christ wants anyone to sacrifice monetarily in order to get closer to them, and before you quote the rich young ruler story to me, that was merely because Jesus knew that that man loved his wealth more than he desired God's kingdom.

Super Tramp:
A sense of entitlement pervades society. If you can not afford Logos or are unwilling to sacrifice to get it, buy something cheaper or get one of the free alternatives.

Look, if you're selling Cadillacs or Rolex watches then by all means get what you can for them. All I am saying is that when you're dealing with God's word and the things concerning his kingdom, then that places you into an entirely different realm. Just as a preacher will be held to a much higher standard because of those whom he leads, so are the smart and blessed Christians. You're comments make it sound as if you actually think that if a person can't afford to pay what you can afford then they don't deserve to enter the kingdom of God, and that is very dangerous ground indeed!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 8:14 PM

Robert Turpin:
I should think (and hope) until Logos finds a way for every average Christian in the world to use their software to thoroughly explore God's word. I would think that at a minimum that they could offer the core software (which I believe is already free) and include all of the Public Domain Bibles and literature to those who cannot afford to purchase it and are forced to go without.

I would like to point out it still costs Logos to produce public domain works. And providing perpetual support is even more costly. Logos is a business that must earn a profit to pay their employees. They do not solicit donations to keep the company afloat. Anyone can download the free engine and the free Bibles that are available. Logos is not standing in the way of people reading the Bible. There are also other companies that offer free Bible study software (Bible Explorer, eSword...) 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 8:31 PM

Robert Turpin:
You're actually going to say that any human being does not "deserve" the word of God and such great tools to explore it?

Thanks for the sermon, Robert. I will agree everyone should have the Word of God. I do not believe everyone is entitled to have software to study it any more than they are entitled to have their Bibles bound in leather. Christians should be content with the Word of God. 

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 8:36 PM

Super Tramp:
I would like to point out it still costs Logos to produce public domain works.

I think not very much at all, in fact, I could find and create many public domain works in their usable form for them for free (sacrificing my time).

Super Tramp:
And providing perpetual support is even more costly.

I already commented on this by saying that any and all support could be per need basis thereby lowering the cost for those who cannot afford it or simply do not need it, while still offering the exact same level of support (albeit perhaps through email within a day or two rather than an instant phone call) to those who can.

Super Tramp:
Logos is a business that must earn a profit to pay their employees. They do not solicit donations to keep the company afloat.

Again, when you're leading people to Christ and teaching his word, then there is no room for greed. I will add to that by saying that I do realize that it does take some money to be able to offer it in the first place and for upgrades, however this in fact SHOULD be donated by those who are blessed by God to help those less fortunate. God's word tells us that we will ALWAYS have the poor among us, he does not say to profit from them...

I am simply trying to make some valid points from the less fortunate customer's perspective, not trying to stir things up or cause friction. I think that it's always healthy to discuss bettering humanity, and just like raising your own children - how many times must you tell them to "turn off the lights which they are not using"! As many times as it takes, but in love and with compassion.

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 8:54 PM

I sent Logos an email simply asking for an explanation on how they determine their pricing structure, but I have not yet received a response even though it has been longer than the "normal" 24-48 hours? I think that any price over $1,000 is strictly geared toward professional clergy and churches rather than an average person.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 9:05 PM

Robert Turpin:
Again, when you're leading people to Christ and teaching his word, then there is no room for greed.

Logos, the company, is not preaching the Word or leading people to Christ. They are not a mission but a for-profit business. And working for a profit in a capitalist economy is not greed, it's life blood. Would you ask a Christian car dealer to give away new cars to all  preachers?

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Rob Turpin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 9:24 PM

I would indeed IF the car would help people get into God's kingdom and if the dealer could afford to do so. I have spent the last 30 minutes browsing Logos' website and even purchased a few free resources. Don't get me wrong here, I don't think that Logos is evil or even greedy for that matter. Their marketing team should be commended for the community pricing model, for it is both fair to customers as well as a brilliant selling tool.

I do feel that you are incorrect however by saying that Logos is not at least teaching the word of God and leading people to Christ. When they choose to sell the very word of God, they are then dealing with HIS property and as such should strive for HIS best interest rather than their bottom line.

God bless you all and good night. I would enjoy continuing this conversation (and many others) soon.

Robert

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 2 2013 9:53 PM

Robert Turpin:

I sent Logos an email simply asking for an explanation on how they determine their pricing structure, but I have not yet received a response even though it has been longer than the "normal" 24-48 hours? I think that any price over $1,000 is strictly geared toward professional clergy and churches rather than an average person.

So what if it's geared toward the professional clergy?  Is something wrong with that?  There are companies that produce vestments for the clergy; are you proposing that they shouldn't do that?  If there weren't options available, I would grant your argument, but there are plenty of ways that one can obtain not only bibles, but software and some study helps—free.  Would you say that your local car dealer should explain to you how they arrive at the prices they charge for cars?  They would tell you it's none of your business.  They have a product X that they will sell you for $ddddd.cc—end of the matter.  Do you want it or not?  I really tire of sanctimonious posters who desire to get something for little or nothing but who clothe their argument in terms that make them sound as though they are purely benevolent.  I call that greed.  It's also known as TURPITUDE. Angry

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