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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Aug 23 2012 11:42 AM

Anyone have a suggestion on the easiest way to learn Greek?

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 12:15 PM

In your bio you state that you are at Liberty University. Don't they offer Greek courses?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 12:19 PM

steve clark:

In your bio you state that you are at Liberty University. Don't they offer Greek courses?

Yes, but I am also a distance learning student do I don't have access to my professors like other students would.  I don't get the opportunity to ask questions while learning, makes it a little more difficult.

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 12:22 PM

i see...

many have asked this question on the forum, so click on the link below to see a search for these post:

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 12:48 PM

David Taylor Jr:

Anyone have a suggestion on the easiest way to learn Greek?

The punchline to an old joke: "Practice, man. Practice." I began by carrying an interlinear New Testament every time I went to church. Not the fastest way to learn, but it was a start.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 1:17 PM
  1. Learn to read the alphabeth
  2. Learn to write the alphabeth
  3. Sing the alphabeth
  4. Expensive but convenient and cosy solution: buy commentaries that contain a lot of Gk, and read them a lot (not just the Gk words, just read them through at least somewhat quickly).

Suggested resource that looks promising: Read Greek in 30 Days or Less: New Testament, Old Testament, Apocrypha, Philo, Church Fathers

This is the method I'm using.
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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 23 2012 10:32 PM

Jack Hairston:

David Taylor Jr:

Anyone have a suggestion on the easiest way to learn Greek?

The punchline to an old joke: "Practice, man. Practice." I began by carrying an interlinear New Testament every time I went to church. Not the fastest way to learn, but it was a start.

Logos 4 has an alternative to intermingling Greek and English words in an interlinear.  English is not Greek, both are not Hebrew nor Aramaic.  Proper names tend to have a one to one correspondence between languages, but many other words have a variety of nuanced meaning.

My favorite Logos 4 feature is visual filter highlighting so can highlight morphological codes in Greek and English using resources in parallel.  WIki has => Examples of visual filters

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 18 2012 10:45 PM

I bought an app for my IPod Touch a year or so ago. I used it to learn every word in the Greek New Testament. I also read using Logos' interlinear feature. I think in a year or two I will have made some progress. 

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Gerald L Bartlett | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 11:02 PM

I recently bought a pre-pub copy of "Greek is Good Grief" from Logos!  I have only begun to use it.  So far it seems to be an e-text, with excellent tables, and with interactive exercises.  I came to this forum hoping to learn how to check my answers in the exercises for accuracy.  I am basically using this to refresh some pretty slim familiarity with Greek that i picked up in a class at church.  The class was enjoyable, but slow.  Self-study with an e-text can be self-paced, but lacks the reinforcement of interaction with teacher and other learners.

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Frank Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2012 11:36 PM

David Taylor Jr:

Anyone have a suggestion on the easiest way to learn Greek?

 

I am not sure that "easiest way" and "learn Greek" belong in the same sentence.

Anyway, I think there are a few "common ways" that generally include taking a class.  I am assuming that you are asking about koine (NT) or at least classical Greek, and not modern Greek (which is quite different due to the effects of 1500 years of history affecting the language).  Here is my own, peculiar experience.

1. I learned the alphabet, not due to any interest in the Bible, but because my astronomy teacher told me to, because many stars are labelled with Greek letters.

2. I learned a bit about classical Greek literature, especially the dramatists and philosophers, because I had a keen interest in philosophy. (Still without reading a "word" of Greek).

3. I decided I wanted to read the NT in Greek, and worked through some standard primer/introduction to New Testament Greek with an exercise book and answer key.  Thoroughly. Every exercise.  Then I got a Greek New Testament (not interlinear), and eventually a good lexicon.  I have been reading New Testament in Greek every day since around 1977 (35 years!).

4. Eventually I took a university course in classical Greek, spent hours studying Greek NT papyri and the whole manuscript tradition, translating, etc.  Also I eventually developed a real love of the OT in Greek (LXX), the Apostolic Fathers in Greek, etc.

But it all started with learning the Greek alphabet for astronomy!

 

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JD | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 28 2012 10:12 AM

I fully recommend Jeremy Duff's The Elements of New Testament Greek (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2008), paperback, fourth corrected printing, ca. $30.  It should be in Logos as a new excellent item.

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Dave M | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 29 2012 3:32 AM

David, There are a few angles to approach the learning process. I'm kind of partial to the old fashioned way like we did in seminary many years ago - Memorize, memorize, memorize: read; then memorize some more. I actually taught my self Greek I since I began in the middle of the school year. Get a text book (we used Machen). They will all lead you down the same path. But, here's the key I believe ... learn the alphabet, then vocabulary, then grammar as you go along.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 4 2012 2:15 AM

Dave M:
But, here's the key I believe ... learn the alphabet, then vocabulary, then grammar as you go along.

The other key: know yourself. For myself it is easier to learn the syntax and grammar first then figure out the vocabulary much as I did in the 1sr grade. Memorizing vocabulary just didn't work. But Dave is correct that for many, memorizing the vocabulary is the way to go.

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John Goodman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2012 7:11 AM

David

Hope this list is helpful.

Not available in Logos but...

StarLearn New Testament Greek by John H Dobson is a really good starting point. IMHO the fastest way to get up and reading (comes with a CD). You'll be reading the NT in greek so satisfyingly quick with this nothing else comes close.

Sing and Learn New Testament Greek Zondervan + A basic greek grammar Duff is excellent. Cheesy but the fastest way to get all the conjugations in your head.

Follow up with It's still greek to me by Black

In Logos

Get the greek audio resources and set up to have the greek bible read to you with the lexham interlinear scrolling alongside.

Use Logos Visual Filters to focus on a type of Verb in a passage eg. All present indicative active and then practice parsing.

Get the logos video series on Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software. Awesome video set of quality classes. If you play them back with VLC you can do them at quicker speed too.

Exegetical Fallacies by maybe Carson? is available from Logos and really worth a read. (prevents you from making silly mistakes.)

Use Logos 5 memorization tool to learn some favorite passage in greek - they will function as great examples to make vocab stick in your mind.

Free

Vocabulary is far easier to learn via context so after Dobson read at least 3 verses a day in greek.

Star'anki' a free app for computers or available for android and ios at a cost. You can download all the greek nt words in order of freq and in about 12 weeks you could know every word occurring more than 50 times in about 5-10 mins a day.

biblewebapp [dot] com [slash] reader - is an awesome readers edition new testament which does some visual filters and can show vocab by freq to build your confidence.

These tips are what has been working for me anyway.

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 12 2012 9:38 AM

MJ. Smith:

Dave M:
But, here's the key I believe ... learn the alphabet, then vocabulary, then grammar as you go along.

The other key: know yourself. For myself it is easier to learn the syntax and grammar first then figure out the vocabulary much as I did in the 1sr grade. Memorizing vocabulary just didn't work. But Dave is correct that for many, memorizing the vocabulary is the way to go.

I totally agree with this. I'm convinced from experience that vocab comes simply from reading texts and seeing the words used in meaningful contexts. How many times have I carried flashcards and still later forgotten the word. Though we do need to have a good basic knowledge of vocab, it is better to focus on learning the rules of the language, and pick up the vocab as you go along, imo. Looking up the same word a few times in a dictionary as you read will do far more than weeks of learning a flashcard.

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Larry Massey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 28 2012 8:55 AM

If you have access to a computer with pre-windows 7, Logos did sell two very good programs: Greek tutor and Hebrew tutor.  Both of these programs walk you through the process teaching grammar, learning declensions (for greek) and the like.  For the person who is willing to spend the time they are great.  When I purchased them many years ago, they came with que-cards.   

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Russ Hilton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 7 2013 6:22 PM

Check  out http://www.teknia.com. The "Basics of Biblical Greek" by William Mounce is a very good program for learning biblical greek. I personally have the program and highly recommend it . 

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Steven Langella | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2013 3:00 AM

David, you can also try this link.  It really is quite helpful. I also purchased the Logos Bible Greek Hebrew which is really good as well. 

 

 

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/New_Testament_Greek/Video/00-GTLearnVideos.html

 

 

 

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 10 2013 4:33 AM

Not available in Logos, but GREEK TO ME by Cullen I. K. Story and J. Lyle Story with its mnemonic picture memory system and exercise workbooks is the best and fastest method for learning the basics of NT Greek while also acquiring a decent vocabulary (every word that occurs 25x or more, not just 50x or more like Mounce.)

Greek To Me curriculum

Some of these items can be bought elsewhere (e.g., Amazon). You'll cover the same basics as Mounce in 2/3 the time and learn 2x the vocabulary. I've taught church classes in NT Greek using Mounce, Dobson, and Story, and Story's GREEK TO ME had by far the best results.

My only caveat is that it, like most NT Greek texts, uses the so-called "Erasmian" pronunciation; I much prefer Randall Buth's Phonemic Koinē (or Modern Greek). If you're serious about wanting to really learn NT Greek as a living language, take the plunge and buy Dr. Buth's materials and take his immersive classes:

Living Biblical Greek

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Steven Langella | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 23 2013 1:52 PM

http://www.biblicalgreek.org/classes/web/

You can also check out this site. It is an online Greek course.  They also provide a class Greek in a Week. 

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