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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2013 6:17 PM

Bill Rust:
I see a large problem in identifying denominations and doctrines by author. 

I agree. But the demand for them is large enough to make it worth the effort to insure some consistency (which is not the same as utility).

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 10:44 AM

I noticed people are starting to catalog their libraries based on these tags. I was thinking, is that accurate, especially the "untagged" category that one of us my derive by counting the tagged resources by category, and subtracting from total library size? The reason I wonder is I came across the fact that Arno Gaebelein is in no less than 4 categories - Arminian/Wesleyan, Dispensational, Fundamentalist, and Methodist Episcopal.

I know this is more art than science and it is most surely a great help, and it may be that beliefs are so, shared?, common?, overlapping?, that this is in fact the most accurate. I just thought I would raise the point as I was at first surprised when I discovered it.

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5 Solas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 1:35 PM

Thanks so much for all the hard work that went into these lists. Thanks for making it public.

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Rich Tatum (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 6:30 PM

Hi, everybody! I thought I'd jump in momentarily to introduce myself. I'm a new hire at Logos and one of my current "hats" is to develop a product for our Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. A coworker of mine who started on the same day is doing the same for the Orthodox market and there are others who will be — or already are — doing the same for Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Anglicans, and so on.

As the earlier discussion aleady indicated, it is a huge squishy problem to create a tagging taxonomy that accurately and usefully exposes theological or denominational persuasion. The chief problem is the "squishiness" of the subject matter: Neither the authors, the books, nor the denominations enjoy clearly delineated lines and boundaries leading to a nice, hierarchical classification scheme. For example, what do you do with an author whose early work is non-Pentecostal, but whose later work is Pro-Pentecostal? Or what about an author who's clearly self-identified as Pentecostal, but their literary work stands apart from any denominational theological bias? Further, once we start getting way from the overarching, generic, labels, distinctions break down. It's pretty straightforward to identify a "continuationist," or "renewalist" author or resource (as opposed to "Cessationist" or "other"—everything else), but then we start asking, "What kind continuationist?" Pentecostal? Charismatic? Third Wave? Vineyard? Neocharismatic? Reformed Pentecostal? Finally, there are resources of interest to a theological persuasion, but not of that denomination —  leading to plenty of category confusion. And publishers? Let's not even get started there…

All that to say this, it's a difficult problem and one that is certainly on the minds of many here, from marketing all the way over to text development and software development. If I could accurately predict what solution will be put into place I'd share it with you, but I don't know  yet.

Meanwhile, here's an example of what I've been doing the past couple of weeks., I've been poring over our catalog of more than 31,000 items, trying to identify any resource that would be of interest to our  Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. Since you guys have been unselfishly sharing your lists with each other, I thought I'd share my list of about 140 authors with you. Please feel free to adapt and adopt if you wish, but be careful. Some authors have their names spelled differently on various items in our catalog (See: Möller vs. Moller, for example).

The List:

Neil T. Anderson, Heidi Baker, Rolland Baker, LeRoy Bartel, Mark Batterson, Dennis Bennett, Rita Bennett, Lisa Bevere, Zenas Bicket, Craig L. Blomberg, F. F. Bosworth, Edward M. Bounds, Michael L. Brown, Mark Bubeck, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Francis Chan, Lawrence J. Chesnut, David Yonggi Cho, Larry Christenson, Michael Clarensau, Randy Clark, Nathaniel M. Van Cleave, Wayne Cordeiro, Judson Cornwall, Roger Douglas Cotton, Nicky Cruz, Carol Cymbala, Jim Cymbala, Jack Deere, Richard Dresselhaus, Mark Driscoll, Guy Duffield, Dick Eastman, Scott Ellington, Tony Evans, Richard Exley, Gordon D. Fee, Charles G. Finney, Johnny Ford, Robert M. Fowler, Francis Frangipane, Sandie Freed, Carl Gibbs, Louie Giglio, James W. Goll, Wayde I. Goodall, J. Lee Grady, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Diana Hagee, John Hagee, Ian R. Hall, Samuel G. Hardman, Jack W. Hayford, Henry C. Heffren, Greg Heisler, Skip Heitzig, James Hernando, Marilyn Hickey, Roy H. Hicks, Benny Hinn, Stanley M. Horton, Ju Hur, Randy Hurst, Ronald A. Iwasko, T. D. Jakes, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, Larry Keefauver, Craig S. Keener, R. T. Kendall, Michael J. Klassen, J. Stephen Lang, William F. Lasley, Greg Laurie, Julia Loren, Wonsuk Ma, Frank D. Macchia, Francis MacNutt, Mike McClaflin, Gary McGee, Quentin McGhee, Ron McManus, Robert P. Menzies, William W. Menzies, Joyce Meyer, Emily A. Mockovciak, F. P. Möller, Dwight Lyman Moody, Rickie D. Moore, George Müller, Andrew Murray, Charles W. Naylor, Arlo F. Newell, Doug Oss, Eugene H. Peterson, Ron Phillips, Chuck D. Pierce, Chuck Pierce, Derek Prince, T. Ray Rachels, Leonard Ravenhill, D. E. Reed, Benjamin F. Reid, Charles R. Ringma, Dana Roberts, Pat Robertson, Edmund J. Rybarczyk, John Loren Sandford, R. Loren Sandford, Dutch Sheets, Quin Sherrer, Alice Smith, F. G. Smith, James K. A. Smith, Sam Storms, Frances Swaggart, Jimmy Swaggart, Vinson Synan, Cheryl Taylor, Tommy Tenney, John Christopher Thomas, R. A. Torrey, A. W. Tozer, Graham H. Twelftree, Merrill Frederick Unger, Kris Vallotton, Miroslav Volf, Adrian Warnock, Cecil M. Washington, Matthias Wenk, Barbara Wentroble, John Wesley, David Wilkerson, Bruce Wilkinson, Ben Witherington III, George O. Wood, Edward Woods, Amos Yong.


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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 7:10 PM

Rich Tatum (@Logos):

Meanwhile, here's an example of what I've been doing the past couple of weeks., I've been poring over our catalog of more than 31,000 items, trying to identify any resource that would be of interest to our  Pentecostal/Charismatic readers. Since you guys have been unselfishly sharing your lists with each other, I thought I'd share my list of about 140 authors with you. Please feel free to adapt and adopt if you wish, but be careful. Some authors have their names spelled differently on various items in our catalog (See: Möller vs. Moller, for example).

The List:

Neil T. Anderson, Heidi Baker, Rolland Baker, LeRoy Bartel, Mark Batterson, Dennis Bennett, Rita Bennett, Lisa Bevere, Zenas Bicket, Craig L. Blomberg, F. F. Bosworth, Edward M. Bounds, Michael L. Brown, Mark Bubeck, Lewis Sperry Chafer, Francis Chan, Lawrence J. Chesnut, David Yonggi Cho, Larry Christenson, Michael Clarensau, Randy Clark, Nathaniel M. Van Cleave, Wayne Cordeiro, Judson Cornwall, Roger Douglas Cotton, Nicky Cruz, Carol Cymbala, Jim Cymbala, Jack Deere, Richard Dresselhaus, Mark Driscoll, Guy Duffield, Dick Eastman, Scott Ellington, Tony Evans, Richard Exley, Gordon D. Fee, Charles G. Finney, Johnny Ford, Robert M. Fowler, Francis Frangipane, Sandie Freed, Carl Gibbs, Louie Giglio, James W. Goll, Wayde I. Goodall, J. Lee Grady, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Diana Hagee, John Hagee, Ian R. Hall, Samuel G. Hardman, Jack W. Hayford, Henry C. Heffren, Greg Heisler, Skip Heitzig, James Hernando, Marilyn Hickey, Roy H. Hicks, Benny Hinn, Stanley M. Horton, Ju Hur, Randy Hurst, Ronald A. Iwasko, T. D. Jakes, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Veli-Matti Kärkkäinen, Larry Keefauver, Craig S. Keener, R. T. Kendall, Michael J. Klassen, J. Stephen Lang, William F. Lasley, Greg Laurie, Julia Loren, Wonsuk Ma, Frank D. Macchia, Francis MacNutt, Mike McClaflin, Gary McGee, Quentin McGhee, Ron McManus, Robert P. Menzies, William W. Menzies, Joyce Meyer, Emily A. Mockovciak, F. P. Möller, Dwight Lyman Moody, Rickie D. Moore, George Müller, Andrew Murray, Charles W. Naylor, Arlo F. Newell, Doug Oss, Eugene H. Peterson, Ron Phillips, Chuck D. Pierce, Chuck Pierce, Derek Prince, T. Ray Rachels, Leonard Ravenhill, D. E. Reed, Benjamin F. Reid, Charles R. Ringma, Dana Roberts, Pat Robertson, Edmund J. Rybarczyk, John Loren Sandford, R. Loren Sandford, Dutch Sheets, Quin Sherrer, Alice Smith, F. G. Smith, James K. A. Smith, Sam Storms, Frances Swaggart, Jimmy Swaggart, Vinson Synan, Cheryl Taylor, Tommy Tenney, John Christopher Thomas, R. A. Torrey, A. W. Tozer, Graham H. Twelftree, Merrill Frederick Unger, Kris Vallotton, Miroslav Volf, Adrian Warnock, Cecil M. Washington, Matthias Wenk, Barbara Wentroble, John Wesley, David Wilkerson, Bruce Wilkinson, Ben Witherington III, George O. Wood, Edward Woods, Amos Yong.

Welcome to the forums Rich. I look forward to seeing more posts in the future. Thanks for sharing this interesting list. I can't imagine this list was totally subjective. Do you mind sharing what criteria you used to compose it?

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 7:16 PM

Rich Tatum (@Logos):
there are others who will be — or already are — doing the same for Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Anglicans, and so on.

Welcome 120,633 Big Smile Glad to hear that Logos is looking at expanding their resources for lesser known faiths such as mine. Waiting to meet the Product Development Manager to make my suggestions. If you could ask them to contact me (if the individual has already been hired)or give me an email address.

I am grateful for the resources recently placed on pre-pub from Andrews University Seminary Press. Looking for more to come.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 7:27 PM

one obvious omission is John Wimber. Another is C. Peter Wagner. 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 8:02 PM

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Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Dederen, Raoul”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Gulley, Norman R.”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Horn, Siegfried H.”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Neufeld, Don F.”, “Nichol, Francis D.”, “Rice, Richard”, “Smith, Uriah”, White, Ellen G.”) OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald”, “Seventh-day Adventist”)

Hi Andrew, I tried your rule to make a collection, and it came up empty, even though I have the Andrews University Study Bible, Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary Expanded edition, and Uriah Smith's Commentary.

Your help is greatly appreciated.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 8:04 PM

This rule (author:white, ellen, subject:ellen white writings) pulls up all of Mrs White's writings, a total of 404 resources.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 11:03 PM

Lynden Williams:
Your help is greatly appreciated.

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Uriah”, White, Ellen

Missing quote in front of White

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 1 2013 11:42 PM

Lynden Williams:

This rule (author:white, ellen, subject:ellen white writings) pulls up all of Mrs White's writings, a total of 404 resources.

It may do so accidentally, but the syntax is incorrect and could give unexpected results in some searches. You need quotation marks around any library filters that are more than one word. So the correct way to do that query would be: (author:"white, ellen", "subject:ellen white writings")

For example of why your query isn't right, I tried it exactly as is in my library, both with and without the parentheses (they are not required), and since I don't have any of Ellen White's writings, I should expect to find 0 results. But it found these two books:

  • A Tribute to Geza Vermes: Essays on Jewish and Christian Literature and History (by Philip Davies and Richard T. White)
  • The Works of the Reverend George Whitefield, Vol. 3 (by George Whitefield)

Why? Because you were asking to find all books where the author's name contains the word white, or which have ellen anywhere in their metadata, or which have subject containing the word ellen and have white and writings anywhere in their metadata. You've got to use a bit of Boolean Logic to do complex searches in the library. AND is assumed when there are spaces between terms that are not enclosed in quotation marks. Comma means OR. And AND has higher precedence than OR.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 4:16 AM

Thanks ladies. This is the final syntax that I have.

Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Dederen, Raoul”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Gulley, Norman R.”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Horn, Siegfried H.”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Neufeld, Don F.”, “Nichol, Francis D.”, “Rice, Richard”, “Smith, Uriah”, "White, Ellen","Gugliotto,Lee") OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald”, “Seventh-day Adventist")OR (Subject:"ellen white writings")OR(mytag:"sdaencyc","sdaatlas")

I now have a total of 417.

All of Mrs White's Writings, 12 volume commentary, plus Handbook for Bible study. In order to get the volume for the Bible Atlas and Encyclopedia, I had to create two tags. One had the incorrect Copyright and the other did not have a copyright.

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Rich Tatum (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 11:28 AM

Hi, Bruce, thanks for the welcome!

Of course, any list made by any individual is inherently subjective, and my bias tends toward preferential treatment of scholars and academics, particularly Pentecostal scholars (Menzies, Fee, Synan, etc.) — not because I think they're the only right ones, but because they're names I recognize from my own Bible college and seminary education. Having read them, I recognize them, and therefore tend to trust them.

But, my biases might really only come in to play when looking for authors I want to investigate acquiring material from, not identifying what's actually  in our library. As far as I'm concerned, if we own product by a self-identified Pentecostal or Charismatic author, we should tag it such and add it to an appropriate collection. (If I'm missing any, please let me know!) Also, any product of particular relevance to Pentecostals and Charismatics should be included (for example , Boyce W. Blackwelder's contra-glossolalia book in our library, Thirty Errors of Modern Tongues Advocates). However, I assure you that I've worked especially hard at uncovering and adding to my list even those authors who write outside my theological comfort zone (with apologies to fans of Hinn, Hagin, Hagee and such).

So, while some of those authors may not be in our library yet, I have compiled a list of the top 500 best-selling CBA authors who write to the Pentecostal/Charismatic audience (I got the list from ECPA/Bowker, an independent third-party). After compiling the list of actual Logos authors, I also included anybody who was in the top 100 CBA list, and cherry-picked recognizable names from the remainder.

As a result, I now have a list of 318 authors; 139 of those authors already have at least one product in our library of interest to the P/C folks, and 179 do not yet have any product in our library. That'll be my guide for acquiring new content. Hopefully, the top-selling authors will easily make it through community pricing and prepub due to their popularity and help make this project more visible and even more viable.

And, yes, John Wimber is on my list of authors to investigate acquiring content from. I also want to see what we can do with books from the following, who are among the top authors on my list: Michael Youssef, Kenneth E. Hagin, Joel Osteen, Germaine Copeland, Bill Wiese, Myles Munroe, Joseph Prince, Charles Capps, Cindy Trimm, Jentezen Franklin, John Bevere. None of those authors have product in our library, yet, but I'm hoping that won't remain the case for very long

Thanks for the question!

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Rich Tatum (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 11:32 AM

Hi, Dan, both Wimber and Wagner are on my list of authors to pursue acquiring.

Regards,

Rich


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Rich Tatum (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 11:35 AM

Hi, Lynden! I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager, but he hasn't started work in the office yet. I believe that Martin Weber will begin working here on May 13. Give him a week or two to get settled in an oriented, and then we'll throw him in the deep end. :) I'll set up a calendar reminder to have him check out this thread around that time.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 12:04 PM

Andrew Baguley:
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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 3:04 PM

Rich Tatum / Logos:
I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager,

Given Gabe's range of responsibilities, I hope the new hire is responsible for more than SDA products. Equity in the workplace and all.Cool

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Rich Tatum (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 3:32 PM

LOL. I'm sure Gabe will agree with you!


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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 4:05 PM

Rich Tatum / Logos:

Hi, Lynden! I do believe we've hired the new SDA product manager, but he hasn't started work in the office yet. I believe that Martin Weber will begin working here on May 13. Give him a week or two to get settled in an oriented, and then we'll throw him in the deep end. :) I'll set up a calendar reminder to have him check out this thread around that time.

Rich

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 2 2013 8:09 PM

Rich Tatum / Logos:
And, yes, John Wimber is on my list of authors to investigate acquiring content from. I also want to see what we can do with books from the following, who are among the top authors on my list: Michael Youssef, Kenneth E. Hagin, Joel Osteen, Germaine Copeland, Bill Wiese, Myles Munroe, Joseph Prince, Charles Capps, Cindy Trimm, Jentezen Franklin, John Bevere. None of those authors have product in our library, yet, but I'm hoping that won't remain the case for very long

Vyrso already has a few books by Wimber, Wagner, Franklin, and Bevere.

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