SBL Bible Software Shootout Tutorial

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:17 AM

I wasn't able to attend ETS or SBL this year so I missed the shootout.

It would be very helpful if a tutorial for how Logos 4 solved the five problems of the shootout could be posted.

Those problems were:

 

  1. Give the parsing of a word and its meaning from a standard source.
  2. Show all the occurrences of a word in the NT and LXX and show the Hebrew word which corresponds with the Greek in the LXX (if there is a correspondence).
  3. Find all the occurrences of οἰ δὲ in Matthew’s gospel followed by a finite verb within the clause.
  4. I want to study a part of speech, e. g., demonstrative pronouns or interjections. How do I get all of the lemmas for that part of speech, get all the occurrences of those lemmas, and the results organized in such a way that I could write an article/monograph on that part of speech from the data?
  5. I want to study the inflections of the Hebrew middle weak verb, and I want to see what the range of possible variations are for each of the conjugations (perfect, imperative, etc.) person, number, gender, stem. This means I need to find all the middle weak verbs, find all their occurrences, and organize them in such a way that the variation of their inflections are immediately apparent. The goal of the data organization would be to allow me to write an article about the variations of the Hebrew middle weak verb.

 

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Matt B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:20 AM

They DID this?!? Awesome and amazing. I'm totally going to ETS next year. I want to see a youtube clip of that!

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:35 AM

One of the things that I read is that one of the other vendors had a handout which they gave to participants on how to solve these five problems. I would love to get my hands on it, as well as I would sure like it if Logos would do handouts as well (and post them) so that we can track these shootouts.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 23 2009 7:41 AM

Russ Quinn:

I wasn't able to attend ETS or SBL this year so I missed the shootout.

It would be very helpful if a tutorial for how Logos 4 solved the five problems of the shootout could be posted.

Those problems were:

 

  1. Give the parsing of a word and its meaning from a standard source.
  2. Show all the occurrences of a word in the NT and LXX and show the Hebrew word which corresponds with the Greek in the LXX (if there is a correspondence).
  3. Find all the occurrences of οἰ δὲ in Matthew’s gospel followed by a finite verb within the clause.
  4. I want to study a part of speech, e. g., demonstrative pronouns or interjections. How do I get all of the lemmas for that part of speech, get all the occurrences of those lemmas, and the results organized in such a way that I could write an article/monograph on that part of speech from the data?
  5. I want to study the inflections of the Hebrew middle weak verb, and I want to see what the range of possible variations are for each of the conjugations (perfect, imperative, etc.) person, number, gender, stem. This means I need to find all the middle weak verbs, find all their occurrences, and organize them in such a way that the variation of their inflections are immediately apparent. The goal of the data organization would be to allow me to write an article about the variations of the Hebrew middle weak verb.

 

That should be a piece of cake in Logos (perhaps "More than Cake"). Big Smile

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2009 6:16 AM

Excellent post from Michael Heiser on the Shootout:

http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2009/11/the-status-quo-has-lost-its-status/

This is a must read article for anyone comparing the higher end search capabilities of Accordance, Bibleworks, and Logos.

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Russ Quinn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2009 6:37 AM

From Michael's article:

"Those who attended the shootout know that all the platforms can return search results in useful ways. I would suggest that Logos 4’s new datasheet is by far the most flexible and useful way this is done. When I get back to the office, I’ll create a video of it and update this post. Basically, the datasheet is a spreadsheet on steroids with drag and drop functionality, where any column of data can be moved and hierarchicalized at will (and also sorted). In my view, this is the single best improvement for the scholar in Logos 4. It’s a powerful solution to a problem Logos has had with displaying the abundance of data in our databases. And when you use it for the results of syntax searches (which incorporates morphology), there’s just nothing like it on the planet."

Amen! I agree. The datasheet is truly a game changer for me. As this feature is refined and tweaked, it will prove to be single most significant improvement for those whose primary work is in the original languages.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 24 2009 6:58 AM

Russ Quinn:

Excellent post from Michael Heiser on the Shootout:

http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/2009/11/the-status-quo-has-lost-its-status/

This is a must read article for anyone comparing the higher end search capabilities of Accordance, Bibleworks, and Logos.

That really was a good rundown.  I would have liked to see some youtubes of each presentation though.  But Alas I'm about to go offline for the day, I have work to accomplish, youtube searches will have to wait.

 

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Josh Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2009 4:55 PM

I was wondering the same thing. Logos, could be get a .pdf, youtube vidoe, or some step-by-step guide to solving those problems. It would be a great training tutorial and I at least would be very interested.

Josh

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