The idea was not well received - but do a search for threads on Cloud Computing.
I don't favor that idea very much.
1) What if I am at a place where I don't have Web Connection?
2) Will you trust Libronix/Logos with your data? I am sure they are well intended and well meaning people, but will you?
3) Who will own your search data once it's in logos vault. What if Logos publishes without your permission, what recourse do you have?
4) How safe is your private search data from Logo's Staff eyes?
4) Will you trust hackers on the net with your data? Do you remember the Palin incident when her Yahoo account was hacked?
This is risky business. There are too many data, security and privacy risk.
Polo3
Polo,
Of those only #1 is a real concern. Most people are too paranoid about their Google searches, etc - how much of that are you really concerned with others knowing? Yes, some situations, but on the whole, who cares? That doesn't mean I want my info getting thrown to the world, but if it does happen it will not keep me up at night.
And we are talking about Bible study software. What possible work could you be doing in Logos that needs to be kept confidential? I am sure Logos would never give your information out. Have they ever let anyone know your order history? Your searches in the Logos resource store? On the unlikely event that personal data was stolen or some such, what would be so secret about your Bible study that this would bother you?
I believe in privacy, but not in paranoia.
First off, thanks for making such a wonderful product!Question: Why not make a version of Logos that is accessible from the Web? No local content installed on an OS but accessed all through the browser. Has this been discussed in the forum already? If so I apologize for bringing it back up...please link the discussion for me and I will read up.Thanks,Steve
Steven
I purchased Barclay's Daily Study Bible shortly before Logos lost the license to sell that series. I still have it, but if Logos was all web access, I would have lost that resource. There have been—and will be—other resources that fall into this same situation. That is just one of many reasons why a web only version is a really bad idea.
Jack
Wow! I can see there are passionate feelings about this topic! [:)] Thanks for all the feedback.
And we are talking about Bible study software. What possible work could you be doing in Logos that needs to be kept confidential?
Suppose you are a pastor in Canada, writing notes against homosexuality?
Or a missionary in North Korea, China, Iran, Pakistan?
Just for example...
And we are talking about Bible study software. What possible work could you be doing in Logos that needs to be kept confidential? Suppose you are a pastor in Canada, writing notes against homosexuality?
Is this supposed to be a joke? What do you suppose is going to happen to said pastor in the event that his thoughts are made public? Angry mobs throwing rocks through his windows? Burnt crosses on his lawn? Storm troopers kicking in his door perhaps.
Yours in Christ
John
Is this supposed to be a joke? What do you suppose is going to happen to said pastor in the event that his thoughts are made public? Angry mobs throwing rocks through his windows? Burnt crosses on his lawn? Storm troopers kicking in his door perhaps. Yours in Christ John
I was just addressing the human rights law. See:
Canadian Pastor Faces Jail Time And Fines Over Criticism Of Homosexuality
Is this supposed to be a joke? What do you suppose is going to happen to said pastor in the event that his thoughts are made public? Angry mobs throwing rocks through his windows? Burnt crosses on his lawn? Storm troopers kicking in his door perhaps. Yours in Christ John I was just addressing the human rights law. See: Canadian Pastor Faces Jail Time And Fines Over Criticism Of Homosexuality
If anyone is interested in the pastor's own comments concerning this situation, go to http://freethroughtruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/stephen-boissoin-please-contact-me.html
I was just addressing the human rights law. See: Canadian Pastor Faces Jail Time And Fines Over Criticism Of Homosexuality
Oh get serious. These silly, tinker toy political games scare you? Time for a little self examination to see if you're really up to the challenge. What are you going to do when you are finally faced with real trials?
Sure, in countries where carrying (or sharing) a bible means a death sentence then you have an argument. Even in light of the courage of early Christians who were martyred opposing a murderous emperor who insisted on worship from everyone it seems reasonable that a live witness is more useful to God's purpose than a dead one. However if a Christian can't speak the truth in the face of a political lobby of perverts then one has to wonder if that person is any kind of Christian at all.
There, I said it, in a very public place, and I live in Canada. Homosexuals are perverts. Bring on the storm troopers.
John.
I agree on the necessity of civil disobedience, but for me I would rather fight this battle from the pulpit, than have to worry that the "thought police" would knock at my door with a warrant, because of something I typed into my Bible program...
There, I said it, in a very public place, and I live in Canada. Homosexuals are perverts. Bring on the storm troopers. I agree on the necessity of civil disobedience, but for me I would rather fight this battle from the pulpit, than have to worry that the "thought police" would knock at my door with a warrant, because of something I typed into my Bible program...
I think the danger is very real in the Muslim countries. I would not risk writing anything into the "cloud" knowing I can endanger my brothers and sisters. But in that situation writing into your computer is also risky, but much less. The problem we experienced in the former communist regime is, that in that situation you tend to use auto-censorship. You do that subconsciously. You know, it is totally different situation to have a problem of this kind in, let's say Canada, or to have that problem in the totalitarian communist or Muslim country. You would know the difference very quickly.
But I think it is not a problem for us today. If the trends will not stop however, it will be a serious problem in some year from now. Logos should be able to work efficiently in all political systems. It is not a program for just today. It is a Bible for Tomorrow. And Tomorrow might not be as bright as we would like it. It is much more true for Europe than for the USA right now.
Let's keep Logos installed as a client application.
It has nothing to do with civil disobedience. It has to do with hiding your lamp under a bushel basket. Do you have the courage to say what you know is the truth or would you rather not rock the boat?
Anyway, nobody's going to come knocking at your door because of what you write in your bible program. Even the Nazis didn't wield that kind of power (pop culture has this idea that they went around and burned every unapproved book in Germany and in the occupied territories. In fact, that was just one demonstration in one place on one night sometime in the 1930's. It was a propaganda event). This guy is just some poor sap who waged an anti-homosexual campaign in the letters to the editor section of some local newspaper. He was just picked out by a member of the sleaze parade to test out some very ill-advised anti hate legislation. I don't know what he wrote but to be guilty he has to have promoted violence against homosexuals with what he wrote. I doubt very much that this was the case and I strongly doubt that even the stupidest judge in the history of the world would buy it for a second. If he goes to jail it will only because there will be political pressure to gain a conviction and he will be given a fine that he will refuse to pay. Sixty days, contempt of court (or whatever). So far the extent of what Christian martyrdom is in our day and age (Within western culture anyway. There is real martyrdom happening elsewhere. Always has been). If all this comes to pass then the guy (if he is truly a sincere Christian) should go do his bit of time with a smile on his face. He would stand as an exclamation point to the truth that our culture has reached the lowest depths of darkness.
Canadians speak out publicly against the homosexual lobby all the time. Some of those people aren't even Christians. They're just medical professionals who are opposed to unhealthy sexual practices. The sleaze parade is just getting under way. There's no way we're anywhere near the point of thought police weeding out individuals and crucifying them for the opinions they hold. Nobody's watching what you write in your bible program. Nobody cares what you write in your bible program. In fact, regardless of where you live, you are much closer to getting the attention of the thought police when you stand at your pulpit and profess what you've written in your bible program but that sort of reality is still a long way off. Now, gather yourself a mob and hold a few demonstrations and I'm sure you'll get somebody's attention. Lies will be spoken about you and so on, but it still isn't likely to amount to much.
Anyway, I think this anti-hate legislation is stupid and I think this initial effort to test it is evil and trite. However I also don't believe the letter writing campaign was a proper Christian activity either. The culture exists. It's not going to cease to exist. Obsessing over it and making people angry with letters to the editor doesn't solve anything. The mission for every Christian is introspection, stewardship, witness and exercising the gifts of the Spirit. Focusing on the evils done by others does not fit any of those categories. Telling people they are evil does not bring them to Christ and it does not change their minds. It only makes them angry at you.
Lets do both. Cloud and client. Let the customer choose which way they want to go.
Anyway, nobody's going to come knocking at your door because of what you write in your bible program. Even the *** didn't wield that kind of power (pop culture
Come on Logos. Censorship? One cannot write the word "Nazis" (political group in Germany in the mid 20th century. Initiated a rather large conflict) in a forum post?
Isn't that just a wee bit extreme?
Anyway, nobody's going to come knocking at your door because of what you write in your bible program. Even the *** didn't wield that kind of power (pop culture Come on Logos. Censorship? One cannot write the word "***" (political group in Germany in the mid 20th century. Initiated a rather large conflict) in a forum post? Isn't that just a wee bit extreme? Yours in Christ John
Come on Logos. Censorship? One cannot write the word "***" (political group in Germany in the mid 20th century. Initiated a rather large conflict) in a forum post?
Yes, I noticed right at the beginning that posts were being censored. I forget now what it was that I wrote, but it was similarly deleted -- I believe it was a matter of excessive political correctness and not a reference to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei.
Excellent solution. One would hope that all resources will be available in both environments though.
Lets do both. Cloud and client. Let the customer choose which way they want to go. Excellent solution. One would hope that all resources will be available in both environments though.
I would suggest that it not be a matter of choosing one or the other. It may be that one would be interested in keeping certain resources on their own HD while there are others to which he might be wish to subscribe for some limited period for a small fee.
It would appear the word "Nazi" is o.k but the word "Nazis" [Nazi(s)] is not. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the word "Nazi" appears 428 times in my Logos library whereas the plural doesn't appear anywhere.
It would appear the word "Nazi" is o.k but the word "***" [Nazi(s)] is not. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that the word "Nazi" appears 428 times in my Logos library whereas the plural doesn't appear anywhere.
I think it is automatic according to a prescribed list rather than being according to some person's judgment since I was able to get it accepted by placing spaces between the letters.
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Yeah, that's the jist I get from the posts that Bob has made aboutit. The idea of not owning my resources still bothers me though. I will haveto set my frame of mind, and either look at Libronix as a two tiredprogram, or continue to do as I have been. That is using Libronix asmy research software, and the other guys software as my note takingand personal study bible.
Then again who knows, when 4.0 comes out it may be the answer toeveryone's desires. It might even have all the fancy graphics thatthe new Zondervan software has.
It would be nice to have an on-line version of Logos in addition to the installed version. The good folk at Crossway have done that with the ESV Study Bible. You purchase the hardcopy version you get get access to an on-line version. Itsn'tmeant to replace the physical copy, but instead to compliment it. I would go for it. And just for the record, Acts 1:8 says that if we have been empowered by the Spirit we would be witnesses, martrys - I raise an eye brow to anyone who understands what Jesus went through and even raise the question about our being willing to lay it all down for the gospel.
In Mel Gibson's The Passion, Jesus is being beaten by the Romans and stumbles and falls. Instead of trying to get away, He crawls over on top of the cross - because He has the vision and the spiritual integrity to lay it all down for a greater cause. May we all have that same burning desire.
Logos 4 feels like a Web server/service already. I think the underlying software libraries should be suitable for producing an online version.
Logos can also prohibit a user to login from different places at a time and that will also solve the licensing problem when an online service appears.
exactly. having both as an option would be great. those who are "concerend" about their privacy, can choose to not use the online/web version. simple.
We barely have time to read all these posts, much less censor them (and i'd probably start with "why can't we have the L3 T*pic Br*wser back?!?", not "Nazi" [:)]) I'm pretty sure there's just a fixed list somewhere in the Wiki forum software, and i'd be amazed if it were derived from anything in the software.
