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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 7:55 PM

4.0b SR-1

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 10 2010 12:07 AM

OK

Laptop 4.0b:

Desktop 4.0c beta3:

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Emery Horvath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 10 2010 2:35 AM

This is a fun post - heres mine.

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Emery,

 

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 12 2010 5:36 PM

1 second faster after reboot (11.65 sec):

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 13 2010 12:12 AM

I have 21,842508 in 16.46 secs.

 

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Mike Measley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:07 AM

I just wanted to post this to thank Logos.  I am running this on a 9 year old laptop.  

Windows XP Media Center

Pentium 4 3.0 gHz, (with virtual dual core)

2 gig RAM

64MB Video RAM

80GB 5400rpm hard-drive

 

This is an extensive search, with a lot of hits.  It handled it well for as old as it is.  Overall, I find that it works well for Logos 4.  Though it is not the fastest machine, it does well.  I understand that the programming is video intensive, and some older systems do not handle it well, but this old system is doing well, while running multiple programs.  Thank you, Logos for a great program!

mike

 

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 14 2010 10:27 AM

thou shalst not lead me into computer envy..

 

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 14 2010 1:30 PM

From my desktop:

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Don | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 24 2010 1:34 AM

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 27 2010 5:16 PM

This is rather weird.  I got better times with 2 gig of RAM than with 3.

Two gig:  0.09, 0.94, 18.50

Three gig: 0.38, 1.31, 19.84

Figure that one out.  Resource numbers were the same as were the number of hits.  In each case I killed all unnecessary services and programs prior to running the test.

Gerry

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 11 2010 3:58 PM

Don:

Nice!  3.56 million hits per second.  What ya got under the hood. Geeked

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 11 2010 4:52 PM

Gerald P. Swetsky:

This is rather weird.  I got better times with 2 gig of RAM than with 3.

Two gig:  0.09, 0.94, 18.50

Three gig: 0.38, 1.31, 19.84

Figure that one out.  Resource numbers were the same as were the number of hits.  In each case I killed all unnecessary services and programs prior to running the test.

Gerry

You probably lost performance due to the loss of Dual Channel RAM.  I'm assuming you added another 1GB module to a system that previously had 2 x 1GB modules.  If this is the case, your system's RAM is no longer running in Dual Channel.  Going from Dual Channel to Single Channel does not cut performance in half.  Typically you lose about 5-10% performance.  This is consistent with your numbers (18.50 to 19.84 is a 7% loss).  If you had 2 x 2GB modules (4GB) then you would be able to run in Dual Channel and have about the same performance as 2 x 1GB modules.  Either way, I wouldn't expect the amount of RAM to affect the performance of this type of search.  This type of search is most affected by drive speed, CPU speed, and RAM speed. 

If you are using only Logos 4 with nothing else running in the background 2GB is usually sufficient.  However, if you have several additional programs open in the background then you might start to see a performance gain with 3-4GB; especially the more you use Logos 4 per session. 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 11 2010 5:25 PM

 

Running 4.0c Beta Release candidate 4. By the way, Logos is has "4.o". That is the letter o rather than the number "0".

This is when Logs4 first opened. 

 

This is after restarting L4.

This is after starting it a second time.

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 11 2010 5:36 PM

Lynden Williams:

This is after starting it a second time.

Logos 4 is caching the search even after you close the program. If you reboot your computer the search time should revert back to the 35 second time.

Another HUGE difference I have seen from computer to computer is the amount of time it takes to populate the search field after typing in a word such as "the" for the first time.  If you reboot your computer; open Logos; open search; type in "the"; it can take as long as 75 seconds to populate the search field.  After you have done this once it must be cached in RAM, because it is nearly instantaneous the next time you type something in; even after closing and reopening Logos 4.  However, if you reboot your computer it will take a long time the first time you type in any word in the drop down box.  This is another place where an SSD can make a big difference.  Even the first search will populate in less than 1 second since the index is essentially already in RAM.

 

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 11 2010 7:26 PM

Here is mine:

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Phillip:

Logos 4 is caching the search even after you close the program. If you reboot your computer the search time should revert back to the 35 second time.

This is due to the file system cache built into the OS. If your currently running programs aren't using all your physical memory, Windows will keep recently accessed files in that memory in case the programs you're running access them again. (This is another reason why it's good to have plenty of memory installed; even if your applications can't directly use it all, Windows can use it to speed up all applications and the OS itself.)

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Gerald P. Swetsky | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2010 3:18 PM

Phillip:

You probably lost performance due to the loss of Dual Channel RAM.  I'm assuming you added another 1GB module to a system that previously had 2 x 1GB modules.  If this is the case, your system's RAM is no longer running in Dual Channel.  Going from Dual Channel to Single Channel does not cut performance in half.  Typically you lose about 5-10% performance.  This is consistent with your numbers (18.50 to 19.84 is a 7% loss).  If you had 2 x 2GB modules (4GB) then you would be able to run in Dual Channel and have about the same performance as 2 x 1GB modules.  Either way, I wouldn't expect the amount of RAM to affect the performance of this type of search.  This type of search is most affected by drive speed, CPU speed, and RAM speed. 

If you are using only Logos 4 with nothing else running in the background 2GB is usually sufficient.  However, if you have several additional programs open in the background then you might start to see a performance gain with 3-4GB; especially the more you use Logos 4 per session. 

Philip, it appears you are absolutely correct.  Adding a fourth gig of RAM brought the speeds down considerably.  Actually, my computer shop took back all the single gig sticks and gave me two twos.  I also have to add the search with four gig was done on the newest release of L4.

Here are the figures.........

Two gig:  0.09, 0.94, 18.50
Three gig: 0.38, 1.31, 19.84
Four gig: 0.030, -- , 13.00

Color me pleased - Gerry

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Stuart A Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2010 7:33 PM

 

Big Smile

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Jonathan Burke | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2010 7:38 PM

45,390,482 results in 1,422,288 articles in 3,3134 resources (33.27 seconds). And yes, a cached search is much faster (17.93 seconds).

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