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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 2 2010 3:05 PM

Thomas Black:
Excuse me whilst I go meditate on Exodus 20:17.

Love your humor Thomas. It gave me a lift today.

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Stuart A Weber | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 4 2010 11:56 AM

Its interesting with my setup-

 

3.95 million hits per second- and a cached search only knocks off 0.02 seconds.

I think you will not see much speed improvement beyond a storage read speed of 500mb/sec, as my study showed earlier a minimal increase doing a ramdisk with a 2000mb/sec read speed (although I am at a read speed of 750 mb/sec now.)

At this point, its all system speed- RAM & cpu.   I got significant speed increases going from ddr3-1600 to ddr3-1900 in BIOS settings. Also, cpu speed.

I am temperature stable at 4.5GHZ- I will try next to see if i can get stable at 5ghz, and see what kind of reading I get for Logos.

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 8:47 PM

Up to 5 million hits per second:

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 1:00 AM

Mathew Haferkamp:

I have 32,048,479 in 28.55 sec, what's your's???

So, what have you proven?  I'm more interested in what it will do on a practical situation.  I don't very often (NEVER) search for "the."  A morph search with one lemma (perhaps in a particular case in Greek) in proximity to another lemma (again, possibly in a particular case in Greek) is far more significant than searching for a term such as "the" which I will never use.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 2:14 AM

George Somsel:
So, what have you proven? 

George,

I don't think that he was trying to PROVE anything....just having fun...

By the way....where is the OTHER grumpy old man from the balcony of the muppets show? :)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 2:34 AM

Robert Pavich:

George Somsel:
So, what have you proven? 

George,

I don't think that he was trying to PROVE anything....just having fun...

By the way....where is the OTHER grumpy old man from the balcony of the muppets show? :)

I don't know any grumpy old men, do you?

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 3:17 AM

George Somsel:

Robert Pavich:

George Somsel:
So, what have you proven? 

George,

I don't think that he was trying to PROVE anything....just having fun...

By the way....where is the OTHER grumpy old man from the balcony of the muppets show? :)

I don't know any grumpy old men, do you?

Everybody knows that George is not old! Big Smile

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Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 3:29 AM

Boy, I love the creative ways people find to waste time! Big Smile Well I'm in...

Woohoo!

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 9:24 AM

Isn't it absurd that it's much faster to search for "the" in the entire library, than to search for "*"  in a tiny little book like Philemon? 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 10:28 AM

fgh:

Isn't it absurd that it's much faster to search for "the" in the entire library, than to search for "*"  in a tiny little book like Philemon? 

No, because "the" is an indexed word, and therefore "pre-counted" by the indexer. (So in a way, it's not faster.  The work was just done earlier--when you indexed.)

To find a wildcard ("*"), Logos has to search for every matching entry in the entire index (all of them in the case of "*"), and then check to see if each matching entry has a hit in the search range.

(Apologies, if that was just a rhetorical question.)

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 8 2011 8:22 PM

47,908,168 results in 1,588,092 articles in 3839 resources in 18.53 seconds = 2.5 M/sec

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Michael March | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 10:30 AM

Very cool.  Now back to work!

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 12:32 PM

I have been looking at everyone's numbers, and I am wondering what type of computer everyone is using.  My laptop is only a couple of years old, it has twice the amount of memory and twice the amount of processing speak that L4 needs, and my numbers (Num of resources and the amount of time it took) are not even close to anyones.

 

The only other program that I had open was MS Word.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 1:07 PM

Hi Tom 

Interesting....

I got 23M hits in 1,303 resources in 34.77 sec and my laptop is about 15-18 months old with a low NovaBench score - 268 as per http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24555/182723.aspx#182723

Have you run this benchmark - if so, what results did you get?

What version of Logos are you running? There were some enhancements to the search engine in the current beta of 4.2a which could be a factor here (although I'm not sure they would affect single word searches like this).

Graham

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 1:38 PM

tom collinge:

I have been looking at everyone's numbers, and I am wondering what type of computer everyone is using.  My laptop is only a couple of years old, it has twice the amount of memory and twice the amount of processing speak that L4 needs, and my numbers (Num of resources and the amount of time it took) are not even close to anyones.

The CPU speed seems to be the biggest factor* in this search. Below is a general guide of what to expect:

CPU Speed:  4.6GHz -- Hits per Second: 5.1 million

CPU Speed:  3.8Ghz --  Hits per Second: 3.6 million

CPU Speed:  3.4GHz --  Hits per Second: 3.0 million

CPU Speed:  2.6GHz --  Hits per Second:  2.2 million

CPU Speed:  2.2GHz --  Hits per Second:  1.7 million

CPU Speed:  1.6GHz --  Hits per Second:  200,000??

*A Solid State Drive (SSD) also provides a bit of speed increase in this search.

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 2:48 PM

Thanks Philip and Graham,

I do not know what these numbers mean, but here is the result from NovaBench.  

 

NovaBench Score: 332

 


2/9/2011 5:37:21 PM
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Intel Core2 Duo T6400 2.00GHz @ 2000 MHz
Graphics Card: Windows Live Display Driver

4054 MB System RAM (Score: 108)
- RAM Speed: 2934 MB/s

CPU Tests (Score: 185)
- Floating Point Operations/Second: 48688960
- Integer Operations/Second: 104102936
- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 604740

Graphics Tests (Score: 15)
- 3D Frames Per Second: 54

Hardware Tests (Score: 24)
- Primary Partition Capacity: 298 GB
- Drive Write Speed: 66 MB/s

 

I have several complaints about L4, and one of them is that it is slow.  Almost every time I click on something, I get a blank screen for a couple of seconds with it saying that Logos Bible Software 4 is not responding.  If I type something into notes, I can write a whole paragraph before anything shows.

I only have this problem with L4.  (I am running 4.2a Beta 6 [4.21.4.9928])

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 4:10 PM

tom collinge:
I have several complaints about L4, and one of them is that it is slow.  

My old 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo laptop posted a similar NovaBench score to yours with Win XP and 2 GB RAM. Yet a search for "the" was done in 19.5s with slightly more hits in 860 resources. So your machine is slow running L4, and i did not experience "hangs" or slow responses. But my 1 Note file does not come close to the volume of Notes that you have.

If you have the space, create a new User Account and install L4. Do not let it sync Notes (Use Internet = No) and delete any that do sync, and see how L4 performs.

Dave
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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 5:01 PM

Carmen Gauvin-O'Donnell:

Boy, I love the creative ways people find to waste time! Big Smile Well I'm in...

NOT a waste of time but a TEST to see if indexing (and merge index) are done

[and after running this needed test of the index program looking at the numbers is OK]

The missing resources are in Greek or Hebrew or other with no English

[and we need a 'word' to to add to the search string to test all the other languages so that ALL resources get listed]

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Phillip | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 5:05 PM

tom collinge:

Intel Core2 Duo T6400 2.00GHz @ 2000 MHz

Your CPU @ 2.00GHz is somewhat slow by today's standards.  Also, this processor only has a 2MB cache.  However, your speeds are still slower than what they should be. 

Your hard drive is probably bringing your performance down even more.  I would recommend rebooting your computer at least once a day, and running defrag once a week.  If your hard drive is more than 50% full you will have a significant performance loss.  The closer your drive gets to capacity, the slower it becomes at an exponential rate. 

Lastly, I would recommend removing as many programs from automatically loading in the background.  See links below:

http://www.vista4beginners.com/System-Configuration-Utility

http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/startup/

 

 

 

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 6:20 PM

Phillip:
tom collinge:
Intel Core2 Duo T6400 2.00GHz @ 2000 MHz

Your CPU @ 2.00GHz is somewhat slow by today's standards.  Also, this processor only has a 2MB cache.  However, your speeds are still slower than what they should be. 

Your hard drive is probably bringing your performance down even more.  I would recommend rebooting your computer at least once a day, and running defrag once a week.  If your hard drive is more than 50% full you will have a significant performance loss.  The closer your drive gets to capacity, the slower it becomes at an exponential rate. 

Lastly, I would recommend removing as many programs from automatically loading in the background.  See links below:

http://www.vista4beginners.com/System-Configuration-Utility

http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/startup/

Phillip, 

You are talking to someone who reformats his hard drive once a year.  I do not have a lot of items running in the background (I am too lazy to install them), and my hard drive has over 122 Gig of free space.

This being said, your posting got me thinking.  I decided to turn off sync, and here are my new numbers:

So I would say that L4 is the cause of my slowness, not my computer.

 

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