B2: What happened to the default serif font? Please change it back ...

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2009 6:49 PM | Locked

I have to say I strongly dislike the new serif default font - it is a personal thing, but the user spends so much time looking at that font, that it can't be jarring on the eye, like it is for me. It's clumsy to look at and lacks the refinement of the rest of the interface, and the Alber font.

Unfortunately the alternatives are limited by the need to have a Unicode font that includes Transliteration, otherwise LHI, for example, ends up with non printable characters.

Could the old one be offered as an option?

Could the default "Alber" be offered as an alternative?

Thanks
Richard

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2009 7:15 PM | Locked

Are you sure it changed? It looks the same to me, though I always use Minion Pro instead.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2009 7:19 PM | Locked

I must have a bad eye....it looks the same to me.

EDITED TO ADD: I use Tacoma normally

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 25 2009 7:43 PM | Locked

It is rendering very differently ... it is less smooth on screen. It may well be the same font, but the smoothing is less, and so it appears more blocky.

Minion Pro unfortunately doesn't work within LHI - the transliteration lines are full of NPCs.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2009 4:17 AM | Locked

Richard...

how about a screen shot?

Did your "clear type tuning" somehow turn off?

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2009 3:26 PM | Locked

Cleartype is still on, and anyway I suspect L4 has its own internal algorithms that override Windows settings. I think I can live with it for now, esp as in another post, BobP has said he'll request that "Alber" is made available for resource text.

It may also be an XP-related issue too.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2009 3:39 PM | Locked

Richard,

I don't know if the font changed or not, but since you mentioned it, it does look more jagged and less smooth than before.  I remember when I first used L4 I was marveling at the new font having a Kindle / e-Ink look.

I'm on Win7 with ClearType turned on by default.

Peter

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 26 2009 5:48 PM | Locked

I have to say that while I don't have a non-beta screenshot I can pull up, the default font does not look at good as it used to.  Here is a screenshot from the ESV:

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2009 4:23 PM | Locked

Fred - that's exactly what mine looks like.

I'm on XP Pro SP3.

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2009 5:02 PM | Locked

Change the font in program settings you couldn't do that in version 3.  I use Gill Sans.

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 1 2009 5:53 PM | Locked

But I don't want a different font.  I want the font (Athelas) to look like it used to.  What happened?  Can someone from Logos comment?

Bob made a big deal about the font in the initial beta test (and it was good looking).  What could have caused it to change?  Why should a selling point be reduced to "oh well, just use some other font"?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 2 2009 2:31 AM | Locked

I'm not sure the font is a different one, but it sure doesn't look so good in Beta 2 as it does in release. This is on Win7Pro/64.

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 2 2009 8:36 AM | Locked

Mark Barnes:
I'm not sure the font is a different one, but it sure doesn't look so good in Beta 2 as it does in release.

The font is still Athelas; the latest version of the font was included in the 4.0a beta. I've reported your comments to development.

Melissa

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 3 2009 7:26 AM | Locked

Melissa Snyder:

Mark Barnes:
I'm not sure the font is a different one, but it sure doesn't look so good in Beta 2 as it does in release.

The font is still Athelas; the latest version of the font was included in the 4.0a beta. I've reported your comments to development.

Melissa

Great - thanks for looking into it.

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 4 2009 4:25 AM | Locked

Here's an approximation of the change from Beta 1\SR7 to Beta 2. The fonts are not Athelas, but it's more about the smoothing. Top one is Garamond Premier Pro, and bottom is Garamond,

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 4 2009 7:20 AM | Locked

Richard,

Thank you for the screenshot. What I am seeing, and also saw on my system with Athelas between SR-7 and B2, is that the new version is more clear. The top line in your image is not as clear as the bottom line. This is what I noticed on my system between the two. What I reported, and is being reviewed (with link to this thread), is that the font seems 'more clear and more rough' at the same time.

Thanks
Melissa

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 4 2009 7:36 PM | Locked

Melissa Snyder:

Richard,

Thank you for the screenshot. What I am seeing, and also saw on my system with Athelas between SR-7 and B2, is that the new version is more clear. The top line in your image is not as clear as the bottom line. This is what I noticed on my system between the two. What I reported, and is being reviewed (with link to this thread), is that the font seems 'more clear and more rough' at the same time.

Thanks
Melissa

The new font is definitely better defined, but it is too sharp now and much less easy on the eye.

I much prefer a softer look, as I now have with Garamond Premiere Pro see screenshot, which seems to balance clarity with smoothness. (Unfortunately I have to sacrifice Transliteration, as this is not supported in this font)

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Joe David Parks | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 5 2009 11:55 AM | Locked

Help please!  I spent nearly an hour on the phone with Logos Tech Support this week and over an hour with Microsoft Tech Support.  I am looking forward to a call this afternoon to provide escelated MS support.  The font presentation of my resources in Vista Ultimate with Logos v.3 was clear and crisp once I turned off ClearType and unchecked "Smooth Screen Fonts", but now my resources are blurry with bleedthrough to adjacent pixels.   At first when I installed Windows 7 and Logos4 the fonts presented well, but I seem to recall an update to both products since installation and now yuck!   Doesn't anyone notice the dramatic difference on this blog page between the crisp (highly pixelated) fonts on the text the various users have typed on their postings and the blurry screen shots provided just below that text?  I don't want the "o"s in my resources to look like furry doughnuts.

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Richard Lyall | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 6 2009 2:43 PM | Locked

Which screenshots contain "blurry text"?

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Fred Greco | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 14 2009 9:13 PM | Locked

Any word on this?

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