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Pat Sieler | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 14 2012 8:46 AM

(spirit OR helper) NEAR truth

Is this a vaild way to do a bible search?

Yields no results...

 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:14 AM

Pat Sieler:

(spirit OR helper) NEAR truth

Is this a vaild way to do a bible search?

Yields no results...

 

Peace, Pat!               *smile*                                        Just for the curiosity of it, I performed the following search ...

When I searched for (spirit OR helper) NEAR truth, I got 158 results -- all from a Greek Testament ..   Will have to go back to the drawing board, eh???  (They were all from various versions of the Septuagint!   Very strange!    *smile*   )

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:16 AM

Pat Sieler:
Is this a vaild way to do a bible search?
This is a valid search.  You might want to change the term NEAR to AND.

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Pat Sieler | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:19 AM

Thanks!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:23 AM

Blessings, Pat!              *smile*

               If you'd really like to get into it, there's some fantastic stuff on our Logos Wiki!               http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help

Please feel comfortable also chatting back and forth in the forums!             There's always someone here for you 24 hours a day!             *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 9:24 AM

tom:

Pat Sieler:
Is this a vaild way to do a bible search?
This is a valid search.  You might want to change the term NEAR to AND.

hmmmm... I would expect (spirit OR helper) NEAR truth = spirit NEAR truth + helper NEAR truth.  I too get zero matches for (spirit OR helper) NEAR truth.   I get 678 matches for spirit NEAR truth, and I get 12 matches for helper NEAR truth.

This does look like a bug to me (or I do not understand the search string).

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:29 AM

tom:
This does look like a bug to me (or I do not understand the search string).

I had some strange results too.

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:41 AM

I seem to recall having problems with OR in parentheses in the past. A better way to do the search is

(Spirit, helper) NEAR truth

The "," is the same as the OR operator (at least in parentheses)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:42 AM

Pat Sieler:

(spirit OR helper) NEAR truth

Is this a vaild way to do a bible search?

Yields no results...

It's NOT a valid search. It should be (spirit, helper) NEAR truth.

See http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Using_lists for a brief explanation.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:43 AM

David B Phillips:
The "," is the same as the OR operator (at least in parenthesis)

It's not the same as the OR operator (which is why the comma works and OR doesn't). But it functions the same way in some circumstances.

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davidphillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:46 AM

Mark Barnes:
It's not the same as the OR operator (which is why the comma works and OR doesn't). But it functions the same way in some circumstances.

Thanks!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 10:53 AM

Mark Barnes:
It's NOT a valid search. It should be (spirit, helper) NEAR truth
Thank you, Mark!           I truly appreciate your post!     I'm trying to learn well so I can be an effective helper; and I think I've taken a positive step over against using "lists" and "the comma"!

           What a difference when one does it correctly, eh?                              Peace!                  and ...           Always Joy in the Lord!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 11:01 AM

alabama24:
I had some strange results too.

Mark's fix worked for me: (spirit, helper) NEAR truth

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 3:08 PM

Mark Barnes:

It's NOT a valid search. It should be (spirit, helper) NEAR truth.

See http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Using_lists for a brief explanation.

I can say that I learned something new today.  Thanks Mark

I do have to say that if a lot of people were tripped up with this, the search should be made more user friendly.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 3:46 PM

tom:
I do have to say that if a lot of people were tripped up with this, the search should be made more user friendly.

I agree. Logos should display a warning message should result if you try and combine binary and proximity searches, and suggest using lists instead. Unfortunately, if you get the syntax of a search wrong, Logos just tries to guess what you meant, and runs the search on what it thinks you meant, rather than on what you typed.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 4:14 PM

Milford, I have been with logos since 2003 started with L3 then L4 and now L5. I just wanted to say thank you for being so consistent in how you treat people on these forums. You always have a kind word to say and I find that refreshing. We could use a little more of that in our world today.  *Smile*  keep up the great work.

 

I am by no means taking away kudos for those of you that help people everyday on these forums. You all do a great job…….. and I would like to say thank you for being of help to all of us who need it.

 

Blessings,

William

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William J Tjaarda Sr.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 14 2012 5:11 PM

William:

 

Milford, I have been with logos since 2003 started with L3 then L4 and now L5. I just wanted to say thank you for being so consistent in how you treat people on these forums. You always have a kind word to say and I find that refreshing. We could use a little more of that in our world today.  *Smile*  keep up the great work.

 

I am by no means taking away kudos for those of you that help people everyday on these forums. You all do a great job…….. and I would like to say thank you for being of help to all of us who need it.

 

Blessings,

William

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You, Brother William, have a very kind heart, and I most certainly appreciate your very kind words.  I truly do!      *smile*     Thank you!             Any honour and glory to God alone, of course!  And to our Lord Jesus Christ!

                             I am a retired Lutheran Pastor who's been privileged to study Logos since around 1993 and am still very, very excited and enthusiastic about how we can truly study God's Holy Word electronically as well as reading the Holy Bible according to our ancient traditions which is also so beautiful!    I have been privileged to have great training and background in the Word and want to provide to others the "keys" to use Logos Bible Software Powerfully and Effectively!

                                           I now live in Ontario, Canada about 25 miles East of Toronto!  My wife is out with our grandboys this evening, and I eagerly await her coming home to share with my bride of 51 years your kind and positive and very helpful and encouraging remarks! 

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Pat Sieler | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 6:11 AM

Hi Milford,

I actually live in Oakville, Ontario and am planting a church here! Blessings to you, brother!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2012 8:29 AM

Pat Sieler:

Hi Milford,

I actually live in Oakville, Ontario and am planting a church here! Blessings to you, brother!

Peace to you, Pat!              Thank you very kindly for your welcome greeting!         *smile*          What a challenge!      To plant a church!             *smile*

               Oakville is a truly vibrant and beautiful area and most certainly the People of Oakville and surroundings need the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth, and the Life for us and for ALL!  Jesus Christ and Him Crucified and Resurrected!

May the Holy Spirit give you Encouragement!                  and Stamina!             *smile*                          and Support from your Brothers and Sisters ...        and     (well, it seems to me the Holy Spirit knows what you need better than I do! .....)            But, Pat!

                        Be Joyful!              In spite of our sadnesses and even bitter tears sometimes  .........   we (with God's Magnificent Spirit!) CAN INDEED be Joyful!  Rejoice in the Lord Always!!!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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