PBB's in L4

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2009 5:09 AM

Right now on L3 I have hundreds of PBB's that I use regularly but I own no base package. Am I to understand that unless I buy a base package that I will never be able to use these with L4? 

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:38 AM

Shawn Drewett:

Right now on L3 I have hundreds of PBB's that I use regularly but I own no base package. Am I to understand that unless I buy a base package that I will never be able to use these with L4? 

How it works for you in L3 if you don't have any base package? The system was the same with L3. Only base package owners were able to read PBBs. It will be the same with L4 I suppose (should be part of the minimal crossgrade).

Bohuslav

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:53 AM

I knew after I posted that that some one would wonder how I was viewing PBB's with no base package. I believe it was Clinton Thomas that gave me ( I sent him $20.00) a PBB license CD. A reader that is , not a maker. That was about 3 years ago.

Another question. Will EVERY base package include PBB reader capabilites or just the upper ones?

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:54 AM

Logos Bible Software is all about easier Bible study. It consists of a free software engine (the Libronix Digital Library System), addin modules that provide specialized functionality, and collections of electronic books targeted to your needs.The Libronix books on this site were created with the
Personal Book Builder- Standard EditionTo read them you need to have a PBB reading Key. Electronic books built with the PBB will be readable only by users who have a Libronix PBB Reading Key. The reading key is free and is available only to users who own one of the boxed products (e.g. Scholar's Library: Silver, Scholar's Library, Original Languages Library, Leaders Library, Bible Study Library, Christian Home Library, Or The Spanish Library.) This key is included with the Personal Book Builder and has been included in boxed Logos Bible Software collections since the QB release. It is not included in free downloadable viewers. Users who own a boxed product predating the QB release can determine their eligibility for the free reading key and download it
here. (The Private Use Edition is licensed for building books that will only work on the system that built them; the Private Use Edition does not build books for distribution but only for personal use.) See:
http://www.logos.com/support/lbs/readingkeyfor more information.

http://www.stilltruth.com/page/libronix_pbb_files

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Second Quarter 2010

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  • Sentence diagrammer
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  • Bibliography
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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 6:56 AM

Shawn,

That sounds illegal to me.

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:07 AM

If it was, before God,  I was totally ignorant of it.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 4:27 PM

Shawn, how about at the very least editing out the name of the user?

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:16 PM

This exchange took place in full view of all of the General  Newsgroupler's. No one made any comments as to anything being illegal so I naturally assumed all was well. Once again, I didn't even have a SUSPICION that this was possibly illegal.

 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 7:28 PM

Shawn Drewett:

Right now on L3 I have hundreds of PBB's that I use regularly but I own no base package. Am I to understand that unless I buy a base package that I will never be able to use these with L4? 

This is totally unknown as of now. The functionality section at http://www.logos.com/upgrade does not show an entry for this functionality. It is entirely possible that you will, and it is entirely possible that you won't. As far as I know, there's no way to be sure as of today.

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 28 2009 8:16 PM

I too don't understand why the exchange would be illegal, unless the previous owner off the PBB addin installed and continued to use it after selling the CD and license to Shawn.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2009 3:32 AM

OttoSCarroll:

I too don't understand why the exchange would be illegal, unless the previous owner off the PBB addin installed and continued to use it after selling the CD and license to Shawn.

Otto

The PBB in question here is the Reader, not the Editor. The Reader is free with any (?) base package while the Editor requires a yearly subscription. Neither is yet operative in L4. It is one of the Coming Attractions.

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 29 2009 5:59 AM

Thank you Jack for clarifying the distinction between the two.

I was about to respond that I also bought a reader prior to owning a boxed collection. But after checking my Account Summary first, I see what I bought was the "Personal Book Builder Creation License - Private Use Edition," which included the PBB and the PBB reader. As I recalled, the Private Use edition allowed one to create PPB resources that could only be read by the system that created it - not shared with other Libronix users. It was less expensive than the "full" creation version (created resources that could be shared with others). Since all I wanted was the ability to read PBB books produced by others (and not produce them myself - at least not for sharing), I went with the less expensive version.

So I wonder if if the CD involved in Shawn's transaction was actually the Private Use edition. Because he said he received a CD with a license. Since the PBB Reader is already included in boxed collections, there would be no need for it to have a separate license...

 

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Karl Andreas Hennig | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:43 AM

Hi,

I was wondering if you had found out anything new regarding your problem. I am in a similar situation since I also have a bunch of books ( mostly from a two spanish collections from before Logos started offering their own and some books from the old Logos System ).

None of these came with a key to read PBB's.

Now I was wondering if I'd get the key if I bought the Minimal Crossgrade.

Does anyone here know?

Blessings,

Andi

 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:48 AM

Karl Andreas Hennig:

Now I was wondering if I'd get the key if I bought the Minimal Crossgrade.

Does anyone here know?

At this moment, only Logos knows.  That information is not publicly available.

 

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:50 AM

Karl Andreas Hennig:
Does anyone here know

I don't think anyone outside of Logos employees knows, at this point, Karl.

What I can say is that PBB's are supposed to have more functionality and work much more like our other books. This suggests that the standard resource reader (which we all have) will work with them. But it doesn't necessarily mean that.

Unless Logos says something specific here, we can only guess. Who knows, we might even guess correctly (or maybe not).

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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AndyTheGreek | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:04 AM

It *does say* PBB Reader on the minimal crossgrade page. Does that not indicate that it will allow crossgraders to access PBB's? Also, that page no longer states 'you must own package xyz to qualify for the crossgrade..' which I took as meaning anyone could crossgrade, even those without a L3 base product.

Andy

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:09 AM

Andy Bell:

It *does say* PBB Reader on the minimal crossgrade page. Does that not indicate that it will allow crossgraders to access PBB's? Also, that page no longer states 'you must own package xyz to qualify for the crossgrade..' which I took as meaning anyone could crossgrade, even those without a L3 base product.

Andy

Cool. I can't seem to access any info on the minimal crossgrade. Can you point to a web site, or post a screen shot so others can verify this?

TIA

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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AndyTheGreek | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:12 AM

Try this link:

http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade

The relevant part is:

Features and Databases

  • Biblical People
  • Biblical Places
  • Biblical Things
  • iPhone Access Enablement
  • Logos Bible Software 4 Excerpts
  • Logos Controlled Vocabulary Database
  • Pericope Sets Database
  • Personal Book Builder Reader****

where **** means the feature is coming next year...

Andy

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Tom Weil | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:15 AM

If everyone knows that no one knows it must be contained in the privacy act on page 8.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:17 AM

Andy Bell:

Try this link:

http://www.logos.com/minimalcrossgrade

The relevant part is:

Features and Databases

  • Personal Book Builder Reader****

where **** means the feature is coming next year...

Andy

Actually the **** references this: ****License included with purchase. Files will be ready Second Quarter 2010

This would seem to confirm that one needs at least a minimal crossgrade to read PBB's in L4.

Good catch.

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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