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elnwood | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2012 7:53 AM

Just to add my thoughts ... I think the Original Languages package sold very little simply because as a package, it wasn't complete enough to do serious good Original Language study. 

No BDAG. No HALOT. No BHS Apparatus. No NA27 Critical Apparatus. No UBS4 Apparatus. No Liddell-Scott Lexicon. No Joüon/Muraoka Hebrew Grammar. No Waltke/O'Connor Hebrew Syntax. No Wallace Greek Grammar. The text apparatuses and modern standard lexicon grammars are simply not there, and you have to pay hundreds more to get them.

The Original Language package just wasn't complete enough. People generally buy things in packages because the package has everything they need. They don't want to buy a package AND bunch of extras.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 3 2012 11:06 AM

On my original OLL box there was marked over with a sticker that it included BAGD....  That would have been nice.  Even if replaced now by BDAG, the BAGD is a solid lexicon.

My ORIGINAL OLL was weak in a few areas - apparati on the original texts, Grammars, and the key modern lexica.  To some extent all those weaknesses remained to the more recent versions.

For the New Testament, between Comfort and Tischendorf, the information is now there, even if I wished NA27 info was there.  But for Hebrew?  Much solid info is there with the text of ancient versions but still now real apparatus.

In Grammars, the "RA" version I started with had next to nothing.  Thankfully they included some 19th century grammars that have a bit of use left into later versions.  But I was sure when I got the Robertson Grammar when it was released for Libronix that it would be in the package in a few years, and it is still an extra...

For Lexica it was dated, yes.  But quite a bit of good info is in BDB and TDNT.  My understanding is that publishers of BDAG and HALOT knew the value of these resources and wouldn't allow package discounts...

With the addition of Perseus, you can find out quite a bit of lexical info about usage of Greek in the reports...

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Ryan Collman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 6 2012 9:49 PM

Here is what comes with the BL Package... 

 

A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament

A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew, rev. ed. (Paul Joüon, Takamitsu Muraoka)

A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament

A Harmony of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles (Crockett)

A Harmony of the Gospels (Robertson)

A Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels

A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament

A Textual Guide to the Greek New Testament

American Standard Version

An Introduction to Aramaic

An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax

An Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin

Apocryphal New Testament

Apostolic Fathers in English

Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear

Aramaic Papyri of the Fifth Century BC

Beginning Biblical Hebrew

BHS Text 

Bible Analysis Addin

Bible Illustrations

Bible Puzzles Addin

Bible Sense Lexicon

Bible Tools Addin

BiblePlaces.com Image Library

Biblical Hebrew for Beginners

Biblical Languages Addin

Biblical People

Biblical People Addin

Biblical PlacesBiblical Things

BK Events

Book of Common Prayer (1979) Daily Office

LectionaryBook of Common Prayer (1979) Sunday Lectionary

Brenton LXX (English)

Brenton LXX (Greek)

Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew/Lexicon

Building Your Biblical Hebrew Vocabulary

Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary

Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the New Testament: SBLGNT Edition

Catholic Lectionary

Chapman’s New Testament-Greek Notebook

Christian Worship One Year Lectionary

Christian Worship Three Year Lectionary (with Supplemental Lectionary)

Clausal Outlines of the Greek New Testament: SBL Edition

Clause Search

Clementine Vulgate

Compare Parallel Bible Versions Addin

Complete Works of Josephus

Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th Edition

Davidson’s Introductory Hebrew Grammar

Diagrammatical Analysis

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Aramaic OT)

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Greek NT)

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Hebrew OT)Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament Douay-Rheims Bible

Elzevir Textus Receptus (1624) with Morphology

English Standard Version

ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear of the New Testament

ESV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear of the Old Testament

Eusebian Canons (Eusebius)

Figures of Speech Used in the Bible (Bullinger)

Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology

Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research

Graphical Query Editor Addin

Greek Audio New Testament

Greek New Testament Insert

Greek Pronunciation Addin with Erasmian & Modern Data Sets

Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domains L-N

Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint

Harmony of the Gospels

HarperCollins Bible Dictionary

Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures (Gesenius) 39.95Hebrew Bible Insert

Hebrew Grammar (Gesenius)

Hebrew Syntax

Holman Christian Standard Bible

Idioms of the Greek New Testament, Second Edition

Images from A Biblical and Theological Dictionary

Images from A Dictionary of the Bible

Images from A Standard Bible Dictionary

Images from An Illustrated History of the Holy Bible

Images from Helps to the Study of the Bible

Images from Illustrations of the Bible from the Monuments of Egypt

Images from The Bible Hand-Book

Images from The Illustrated Bible Treasury

Images from The People’s Bible Encyclopedia

Images from The Temple Bible Dictionary

Images of the Holy Lands

Introduction to Biblical Greek Collection

Jackson Jude – 2 Peter (Jackson)

Josephus in Greek: Niese Critical Edition with Apparatus

Kairos: A Beginning Greek Grammar & Workbook

Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament

King James Version

King James Version Apocrypha

KJV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

KJV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Learning Biblical Hebrew: A New Approach Using Discourse Analysis

Learning New Testament Greek Now and Then

LEB English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

LEB English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Lectionary Addin

Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament

Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition

Lexham Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear

Lexham Bible Dictionary

Lexham English Bible

Lexham English Septuagint

Lexham Greek-English Interlinear New Testament: SBL Edition

Lexham Greek-English Interlinear Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition (including alt texts)

Lexham Hebrew Bible with Morphology

Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition

Lexham Hebrew-English Interlinear Bible

Lexham Interlinear Septuagint: Rahfs

Lexham LXX / MT Parallel Alignment (reverse interlinear (for BWS)

Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon

Light from the Ancient East

Linguistic Analysis of Biblical Hebrew

LLS Addin

Logos Bible Images

Logos Bible Photos

Logos Bible Software Addin

Logos Bible Software Infographics

Logos Bible Software Maps

Logos Deluxe Map Set

Lutheran Service Book Historic (One Year) Lectionary

Lutheran Service Book Three Year Lectionary

Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition

Merriam-Webster Collegiate Thesaurus

More Light on the Path: Daily Scripture Readings in Hebrew and Greek

NASB95 English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NASB95 English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Nestle-Aland 28th Edition Greek New Testament

New American Standard Bible – 1995 Update

New Century Version

New King James Version

New Living Translation

New Revised Standard Version

New Testament Apocrypha

New Testament Synonyms (Trench)

NIV 2011 English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NIV 2011 English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NKJV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NKJV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NLT English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NRSV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NRSV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NT Genre Coding

NT Semantic Domain Coding

Nunn’s Syntax, Elements, and Key to the Elements of New Testament Greek

Old Testament Allusions

Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology

Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament (HCSB)

Original Languages Addin

OT Genre Coding

Pastoral Epistles (Brannan)

Personal Bible Study Tools Addin

Personal Book Builder Reader Key

Phrase Concordance

Rahlf’s Septuagint w/Logos Morphology

Records of the Life of Jesus

Referent Data

Remote Library Search Addin

Reported Speech

Revised Common Lectionary

Revised Common Lectionary Daily Readings

Revised Standard Version

Richter Hebrew Morphology

SBL/Logos Greek New Testament

Sentence Diagramming Addin

Septuagint Variants with Logos Morphology

Septuagint Variants with Logos Morphology Reverse Interlinear

Stephen’s Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology

Student’s Guide to the Textual Criticism of the Bible

Swete LXX with Morphology (text, alt text, app, alt text app)

Synopsis of the Four Gospels (Aland)

Synopsis of the Old Testament (Jackson)

Syntax of the Hebrew Language of the Old Testament

Syntax of the Moods and Tenses in NT Greek

Syntax Tools Addin

Tanakh (JPS)

Tanakh (old)

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

The Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text of the Hebrew Bible

The Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text of the Hebrew Bible: A Systematic Glossary

The Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis of the Hebrew Bible

The Animals Mentioned in the Bible

The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament in English

The Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear

The Apostolic Fathers, with an English Translation

The Apostolic Fathers: Revised Texts with Short Introductions and English Translations

The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition Vol. I: 1Q1-4Q273 – Vol. II: 4Q274-11Q31

The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with Morphology) (Logos)

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament: Sentence Analysis

The NET Bible

The New Testament in Greek (Scrivener 1881)

The New Testament in Greek (Westcott and Hort)

The New Testament in the Original Greek: Byzantine Textform

The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament

The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament Glossary 0The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament: Clause Analysis

The Parallel Aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Texts of Jewish Scripture

The Plants of the Bible

The Targums from the files of the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon Project

The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts

The Works of Philo: Greek Text with Morphology

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Unabridged

Theological Lexicon of the New Testament (3 vols.)

Theological Lexicon of the Old Testament (3 vols.)

Tischendorf Apparatus

Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

Understanding BHS

United Methodist Revised Common Lectionary

Universal Timeline

WIVU Hebrew Morphology

Works of Philo

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 7:18 AM

Ryan Collman:
Here is what comes with the BL Package...

Thanks Ryan for this info.  I could not help to noticed that it comes with the NIV 2011 Interlinears, but it does not come with the NIV 2011.

I am also wondering how knowing the The Plants of the Bible is going to help with the Greek text?

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 7:29 AM

tom:

Thanks Ryan for this info.  I could not help to noticed that it comes with the NIV 2011 Interlinears, but it does not come with the NIV 2011.

 

The "NIV Interlinear" is the "NIV". Same for the ESV and other Interlinears included. They are Bibles that optionally allow you to turn on the Reverse Interlinear.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 7:30 AM

Original Languages in Logos 4 was like that too.  So I had the NIV from another source and so got the interlinear(s).  Never really used it, but got it.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 7:36 AM

I know someone with the new Biblical Languages Package, and he can open these Bibles and use them.

EDIT: I double checked with the person I know who bought the Biblical Languages pack, and the NIV is in fact not included.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 7:54 AM

I'm glad they included the Bible puzzles addin! (Sounds very Libronix-ish). George (I think) periodically mentioned the puzzles but I never saw them (I have the 'old' OL package).

I think they'd do better to label the package 'Academic'.  If 'Works of Philo' is the Yonge version, not sure how that's a big plus for OL. The greek version is quite useful especially as regards the OT.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 8:03 AM

DMB:

I'm glad they included the Bible puzzles addin! (Sounds very Libronix-ish). George (I think) periodically mentioned the puzzles but I never saw them (I have the 'old' OL package).

I think they'd do better to label the package 'Academic'.  If 'Works of Philo' is the Yonge version, not sure how that's a big plus for OL. The greek version is quite useful especially as regards the OT.

Perhaps they could make a reverse interlinear of Philo with the Yong translation.  Then users could pretend that they understand the original of Philo too.  Angel

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 8:07 AM

Excellent suggestion George.  It takes me FOREVER to right click each Philo greek word to get its meaning!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 8:14 AM

Perhaps they should also make reverse interlinears for Homer and the Perseus texts.  There's nothing like taking a text and throwing it in the mix-master to stir it up a bit.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 9:05 AM

George Somsel:

Perhaps they should also make reverse interlinears for Homer and the Perseus texts.  There's nothing like taking a text and throwing it in the mix-master to stir it up a bit.

Our forum's favorite curmudgeon has gone over 6000 posts.  I know that I for one have benefited from your wit and extensive learning...  How fitting that I see this in a post complaining about Reverse Interlinears...

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 7 2012 9:28 AM

Kenneth McGuire:
Our forum's favorite curmudgeon has gone over 6000 posts. 

I didn't realize that since I don't keep track.  Thank you for your kind remarks – and, yes, it does seem appropriate.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Theodore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2012 6:28 AM

What does the BLP cost? I am a Student and would like to decide between the BLP and the Gold??

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2012 7:14 AM

Thomas Isaak:

What does the BLP cost? I am a Student and would like to decide between the BLP and the Gold??

I suggest giving a phone call and asking to speak with Academic Sales. There are many variables (new purchase or upgrade for existing user) and discounts are available depending upon where you are studying.

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Theodore | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2012 8:16 AM

Thanks a lot. Another Question Off-Toipc:

I really like the Books from John Piper and there is a really good Christmas sell going on.

But i also know that you can Download most of his Books for free as a PDF.

So if i buy them through LOGOS will the Books and Topics, show up in Searches?

Or what are the advantages of actually Buying them and not just reading the PDFs???

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2012 8:24 AM

Thomas Isaak:
So if i buy them through LOGOS will the Books and Topics, show up in Searches?

If you buy them in Logos then searching for words or phrases will find occurrences in Piper's works in the same way as in other Logos resources.

Re "Topics" - it depends on exactly what you mean. There is a new "Topic Guide" in Logos 5 which, basically, finds topics in resources tagged specifically for this purpose - in general dictionaries and encyclopedia. Piper's works won't be included in there but it wouldn't really be appropriate to do so.

So, yes, they will function as really searchable resources within the Logos environment.

Only you can really assess the value of that to you.

 

 

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 11 2012 8:52 AM

Isaak, another difference is of course that with Logos it's easier to make highlightings and notes in the books.

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Tim Finlay | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2012 7:47 PM

This really is a tremendous deal

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2013 7:49 PM

Ryan Collman:
Here is what comes with the BL Package...

Thread => Chart of Logos 4 & Logos 5 Packages includes a link to a Google Doc spreadsheet for package comparison:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c

Noticed Merged (Logos) tab now has Biblical Languages => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60280/437722.aspx#437722 that lacks Logos features enabled by various add-ins plus has ?'s for some Apostolic Father resources.

Notably missing => Word Pictures in the New Testament and => Vincent's Word Studies in the New Testament that are included in many base packages.

More Original Language Grammar and Tools in other packages, which are not in Biblical Languages:

=> Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)  - included in Logos 5 Portfolio

=> BDAG/HALOT Bundle  - BDAG is in Logos 5 Platinum, Diamond, and Portfolio while HALOT is in Logos 5 Portfolio

=> Moulton-Howard-Turner Greek Grammar Collection (5 vols.)   - included in Logos 5 Diamond and Portfolio

=> Biblical Languages: Reference Grammars and Introductions (19 vols.)   - included in Logos 5 Portfolio and Verbum Capstone

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