Eastern Orthodoxy glaringly absent from Logos?

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Clayton Tinervin | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2012 9:48 AM

I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos? While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find.

The Orthodox Study Bible, the Philokalia, books by Fathers after the end of the series like St. Maximus the Confessor, Simeon the New Theologian or Gregory Palamas, to name a few. Also, there are contemporary authors like Bishop Kallistos Ware, Vladmir Lossky, Alexander Schmeman, etc. 

I know that there are often publisher concerns when Logos is unable to get certain books. But certainly some of the Easter Fathers after the 6th century are available in some form? It may be that there has not been a demand. If so, let me say that I would really like to see Logos' library be supplemented this way. As someone who has a deep respect and enjoyment for reading from the Eastern Christian authors, I can say with confidence I would buy a collection offering titles by Orthodox authors (provided I didn't already own the hardbacks). 

Is there anything in the works in this area? 

Thanks!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 10:26 AM

I would welcome these resources even though I am Anglican, I own the OSB in Olivetree and find it very odd that Logos has yet to offer it seeing how much they offer by them. If the final volume of the Philokalia is ever released perhaps they will get enough interest to release the set in electronic format.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 20 2012 11:09 AM

Clayton Tinervin:
a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos?

Logos has underdevelopment of its first project with St. Vladimir's Seminary Press (Bzyantine Orthodox) - from the Popular Patristics series. They have available some materials from Gorgias Press (Church of the East/Syriac Orthodox). As the market expands I would expect Logos to expand the offerings.

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David Kirk Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 9:59 AM

I want Patrick Henry Reardon in logos. Great if somewhat short books. His Christ in the Psalms is wonderful. 

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David Kirk Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 10:10 AM

The multi-volume work by Metropolitan Hilarion looks like a great addition to Logos resources. It combines history and the theology of Orthodoxy. I would be really interested in getting it if it as good as the website shows. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 10:15 AM

Right now the most glaring omission seems to be lack of Nelson's Orthodox Study Bible, since it has been released elsewhere in digital format (both ebook and in other Bible software).

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 10:34 AM

Clayton Tinervin:
I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos? While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find. . .

Logos welcomes users making suggestions about resources or publishers. I'm sure you could recommend these authors and even entire Orthodox publishing houses to Logos. Do so in the Suggestions forum.

Logos has been expanding it's resource base and recently made a large jump in the area of Roman Catholic theology/interests. It's even increasing it's market share among Roman Catholics. If the market is there for Orthodox resources, I'm sure Logos would want to explore its options and open negotiations with publishers.

In addition to making suggestions to Logos, make suggestions to the authors and publishers/copyright holders to partner with Logos in distributing their material. Keep at it. These negotiations can take time, but both Logos and publishers generally respond well to customer input.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 4:41 PM

Things really took off in the Catholic resources when Logos hired a full time Product person (Andrew Jones; he had a predecessor who was good but sadly I forgot his name). It may need Logos to hire a Orthodox product director for things to take off there as well, as I am sure the marketing folks are stretched way thin and whoever has Orthodox in their responsibilities probably has a dozen other things on that list too.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 4:42 PM

PS - I too would be a big customer of quality Orthodox resources!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 21 2012 10:17 PM

Dominick Sela:
he had a predecessor who was good but sadly I forgot his name).

I believe that Andrew is the first for whom it's been a full-time job. I suspect you are thinking of Louis St. Hilaire who is still very involved in producing Catholic resources.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 2:12 AM

Welcome to the forums.

Clayton Tinervin:
I was wondering if it was known why there is such a vacuum of material on the Eastern Orthodox Church in Logos?

Too few Orthodox users. Until very recently there was a similar vacuum for Catholic resources, but MJ (and a few others) have been relentless in pushing for more, and when Andrew was hired as Catholic Products Manager 1.5 years ago things really started to take off, with a bit of an explosion in both Catholic resources and Catholic users.

MJ is also the one who's put Logos and St Vladimir's in touch. I imagine that once Popular Patristics Series, Part 1 (10 vols.) ships -- and provided both parties are still happy with each other -- we'll soon see the rest of that series on prepub, and then other St Vladimir titles, perhaps starting with Schmemann as he has been asked for by several Protestant users as well.

One good thing is that the vastly expanded Catholic userbase will help push Orthodox resources into production much faster, and the more they sell, the more Logos will put up for sale. And once they get there's money to be made, they'll probably start looking for an Orthodox Product Manager as well.

Clayton Tinervin:
While the Church Fathers through Gregory the Great are available, and a major source for Eastern Orthodoxy, and two books by Daniel Clendenin are available, there is nearly nothing else that I have been able to find.

Have you found things like:

You should make sure to keep an eye on Community Pricing, where older, Public Domain, works can be bought for often very good prices.

You should also take a look at the Suggestions forum. You can either search for older threads there and add your Yes to books you want to see in Logos, or you can start a new thread listing them, and we'll add our Yes's. That forum is read by Logos staff that handles these things. Suggestions here in General are likely to get lost. You can also e-mail to suggest@logos.com. 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 3:28 PM

For those of you who haven't yet found out, there is now an Orthodox suggestion at Logos' new Uservoice site for prepubs: Add more Orthodox works, and also one for Patristics: Add more Patristic works. Please go add your votes. And then add the remainder of your votes to other suggestions -- preferably mine.Big Smile

(There is also a new Uservoice site for CP's, with another ten new votes for you to spend: http://communitypricing.uservoice.com/forums/183260-general/filters/top.)

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Gabe Martini | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 10:26 PM

Clayton,

I know this is a few months late, but I wanted to let you know that Logos has brought me on board for just this purpose (Announcement on my blog: http://onbehalfofall.org/2013/03/25/a-personal-announcement/).

I am relocating to the Bellingham area soon, and will be very focused on dramatically expanding the selection of Orthodox books and resources for the Logos ecosystem. Please stay tuned, and follow both Logos and my personal blog (www.onbehalfofall.org) for updates! Please feel free to contact me with any specific requests or ideas you might have. My ears are open.

Have a blessed Great Lent.

In peace,

Gabe

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 10:37 PM

Fantastic Gabe and welcome aboard. First question - how do you want us to refer to the Far Eastern Orthodox as opposed to the Byzantine Orthodox? Just want to keep you on your toes.Big Smile

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Gabe Martini | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 10:41 PM

MJ. Smith:

Fantastic Gabe and welcome aboard. First question - how do you want us to refer to the Far Eastern Orthodox as opposed to the Byzantine Orthodox? Just want to keep you on your toes.Big Smile

Well, if one goes far east enough, they are again in the west. However, I think you are referring to the Oriental Orthodox, so to speak? Am I correct?

Thank you for the welcome, by the way! Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 27 2013 11:50 PM

Gabe Martini:
Am I correct?

You passedBig Smile I've found it amusing that the three great threads of the Church are usually referred to as Western, Byzantine and Eastern. But the Byzantine thread becomes Eastern Orthodox forcing the Eastern tradition to be called Oriental. Whereupon, the best known Oriental Orthodox Church - the Copts - have somehow migrated from Africa to the Orient?Huh?

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James W Bennett | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2013 4:08 AM

Welcome Gabe!!!

I sincerely hope that we will be able to keep you busy. But a good busy :)

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2013 4:26 AM

Welcome Gabe. MJ has taught me a lot about the various branches of Christianity outside of the western world. She has a long way to go, as I did not pay too much attention in church history class, and have not really dug into my church history books in Logos.

Perhaps a blog (for the lazy) on the differences on the three branches mentioned above and why they matter.

Once again welcome to the forums.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2013 4:43 AM

This could be an exciting development. I really don't know much about Eastern Orthodox but would be interested in reading more.

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2013 9:31 AM

Welcome aboard Gabe! May God grant you many Years!

So glad to have you, looking forward to seeing the fruits of your work.

Will start setting aside funds-smile.

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