I have no place to give my tithe

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 22 2012 8:25 PM

Recently a friend of ours asked this question to which I couldn't give a complete answer. He and his wife were faithful attenders of a local church but left because of a bad experience - nothing immoral etc., just a bad experience. They haven't been back to a church for many years, but are now sensing the Lord's "conviction" to start tithing. Short of attending a church, how or where would you direct them to allocate their tithe?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 8:40 PM

There are many good charities both religious and secular where donations will get used for God pleasing things. Salvation army tends to always do good work with their donations. If a more religious bent is what you are looking for the Bible Societies again do a good job in making scriptures available both near and abroad.

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 8:45 PM

Not what you want to hear I'm sure, but I think the tithing is a secondary issue here.  They need to find out where they belong.  And they might want to look at their "Christian" attitude too.  I'm sure most of us have had experiences bad enough to want to leave a situation but geographical cures don't work here or elsewhere.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 9:14 PM

Both Dan and Alex have made very good suggestions and advice. I would like to stress that it is very important that they do find a bible teaching and believing church. They will have to pray (and pray for themselves) and be led by God to where He wants them to be. In this process, they will most likely need to visit various churches, and it can not be do sitting home.

 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 9:21 PM

A few years ago on a mission trip, of all places, a team member told me they no longer attended a church. I asked him, "How long have you been living in sin?"

Upset, he blustered and exclaimed,"I am not living in sin!"

I replied, "Sure you are. The same Bible that says 'Do not commit adultery' also says 'Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together'. Sin is sin. How long are you going to keep living in sin?"

I was not trying to condemn, but to make a point and to give a different perspective to this mission team member.

Which is to say, I agree that there is a bigger problem here than tithing. Surely, there is some church within driving distance where your friend can feel comfortable. Jesus said something about leaving your gift at the altar and first being reconciled to you brother.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 22 2012 9:33 PM

I know of a young seminarian who would love a book budget.

 

*chuckle*

They really ought to find another church, even if its a different denomination, or a different assembly within the denomination.

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RMC | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 6:46 AM

Dan Francis:

Salvation army tends to always do good work with their donations. If a more religious bent is what you are looking for the Bible Societies again do a good job in making scriptures available both near and abroad.

Just an aside - The Salvation Army is actually a denomination - it's along the Methodist lines, but is its own denominational entity.  It was actually the church I attended growing up, and I have family who are "officers" (Pastors).  Unfortunately, somewhere along the way, the Salvation Army decided to allow their public image to go more secular to the point where very few people recognize that it is actually a church (one of the reasons I no longer attend - to me a church should be public about their commitment to the Lord).  

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 7:32 AM

RMC:
very few people recognize that it is actually a church

Wow! I can't imagine anyone in Sweden not knowing that. Well, Muslims and recent immigrants may not know, I guess, but the average person certainly would. They probably wouldn't have much of a clue about their theology, and the younger ones might be a bit dim on whether they're a separate church or a group within another church, but I have a hard time imagining anyone would believe they're secular. In fact, when secular Swedes are asked what Christian group they like best, I believe the answer tend to be the Salvation Army. 

I've actually wondered at times why I never hear about them in America. I guess I just got the answer.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 7:35 AM

Michael Childs:
I agree that there is a bigger problem here than tithing. Surely, there is some church within driving distance where your friend can feel comfortable. Jesus said something about leaving your gift at the altar and first being reconciled to you brother.

+1

Might I suggest a resource? The Peacemaker, by Ken Sande, is excellent. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 8:28 AM

Milkman:
Short of attending a church, how or where would you direct them to allocate their tithe?

Having just completed a six-month search for a new Church home, I can emphasize with your friends. However, as others have said, their main problem is not where to send their tithe, but where to attend. When that get that right, the other will fall into place.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 8:50 AM

Milkman:
Short of attending a church, how or where would you direct them to allocate their tithe?

The Bible says to bring the tithe in. Would that not necessitate attending church?

Milkman:
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totally off-topic: My first reading of your signature line was mm = "Merry Meet" rather than "MilkMan.   It threw me for a moment since it is a Wiccan greeting. Surprise

 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 8:53 AM

Michael Childs:

A few years ago on a mission trip, of all places, a team member told me they no longer attended a church. I asked him, "How long have you been living in sin?"

YesYes

I am just finishing my near annual re-read of _The Hammer of God_ and this reminds me of a scene between a young pastor and a good friend...

"I thought I noticed in church today that you dared to brand my way of following my conscience as sin.  I am not angry with you for that.  But I thought it was too bad that you would have such a hard time to understand a different point of view."

"My own point of view I would leave at any time if only we could remain friends, Gunnar.  But Christ's point of view I can never leave.  In the final account, this is not a matter of points of view, but it concerns our eternal salvation!"

"And so you have today bound me to eternal damnation!"

"No, Gunnar, to eternal salvation so that you might not forget that it exists.  I will follow you from this day on till you cannot endure any day longer of being bound in sin, as you now have been for several months."

 The Hammer of God by Bo Giertz, pg. 298, copyright 2005 Augsburg Fortress, Minneapolis

  Someday I will get the vyrso edition in addition to my dead tree edition that is getting a bit dog-eared...

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 8:54 AM

Milkman:

Recently a friend of ours asked this question to which I couldn't give a complete answer. He and his wife were faithful attenders of a local church but left because of a bad experience - nothing immoral etc., just a bad experience. They haven't been back to a church for many years, but are now sensing the Lord's "conviction" to start tithing. Short of attending a church, how or where would you direct them to allocate their tithe?

mm

I'd be willing to accept it.  Geeked  Seriously, they should find another church.  That shouldn't be a problem.  There's a church every ½ mile.  Try before you buy.

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Rick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 9:01 AM

Some congregations are only a few people who meet at someone's home for study. If this is the case, I would suggest using the money in some way to help the needy and feed the poor. Helping someone pay their electric or hospital bill is a huge relief. You can even do anonymously.

Where I live, you don't have to look far to find a needy person.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 9:08 AM

Kenneth McGuire:
my near annual re-read of _The Hammer of God_

YesYesYes

Go recommend that in the other thread where someone wondered what he should read in preparation for theological studies. I thought about it, but it would be better coming from you.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 9:21 AM

Rick:
Where I live, you don't have to look far to find a needy person.

After the past four years they're everywhere.  You can expect more in the coming four years.  Sad

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 10:35 AM

Rick:
Some congregations are only a few people who meet at someone's home for study.

 Though I'm a pastor of a denominational / traditional church, I agree with Rick. I think our Lord's definition of church body extends to any 2 or 3 gathered in His name to study & worship. I also trust He'll lead each group to find a place in His mission, to which a tithe would naturally be of benefit.

That said, I also agree with the excellent advice above that your friends' 1st priority should be becoming members of a Christian fellowship / body (members in God's eyes, not merely obtaining a certificate of membership).  At that point, they'll find the answer to their question about a tithe.

Lastly, to turn this thread toward the purpose of these forums (since after all we're Logos' guests), there are many (even in these forums) who would be greatly blessed (& would in turn bless others) from a gift of a Logos package suitable for pastoral work.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 11:19 AM

  1. Thanks for all the great advice - I know how I should respond.
  2. Super Tramp? As you mentioned before in a thread a while ago that I replied to or started. Just to reiterate:  the mm DOES NOT MEAN merry meet as we discussed. mm is for milkman.... other than that thanks for your advice as well.

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aka milkman :)

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 11:34 AM

Milkman:
 the mm DOES NOT MEAN merry meet as we discussed. mm is for milkman....

And I thought it stood for "Merry Mead" indicating that you were a Miss Marple fan.  Wink

CORRECTION:  That should have been "Mary Mead."

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Pedro | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 23 2012 11:48 AM

Milkman:

  1. Thanks for all the great advice - I know how I should respond.

I would suggest for them to save their tithe until they find a church; and finding a church should be their first priority. 

EDIT: Adding a quote from A.W. Pink "Tithing"

In the first place I would suggest this. Form the habit of taking out one-tenth from all the money that you receive either as wages or gifts. Subtract one-tenth and put it into a separate bag, or box, or purse. That is what it means when it says in 1 Corinthians 16, "laying by in store." And that box or purse is the Lord's, not yours. It is holy unto Him. Form the habit of taking out a tenth from all you receive, putting it into a separate compartment be- longing to the Lord.

In the second place, get a small book, a cheap notebook, and on one page put down all your receipts (it will not take some of you very long-one entry, I suppose, at the end of the week) and on the other page put down the disbursement of God's "tithe."

And then in the third place make it a matter of definite prayer to God to guide you in the disbursement as to where He would have you use the money that belongs to Him. It is not yours; it is His; for remember you have not even begun to give at all until you have first paid your tithe. Giving comes in afterwards. The tithe is the Lord's. That is His. That is not yours to give at all; that belongs to the Creator. You have not begun to give until you have done your tithing. 

 

 

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