Christian History & Biography Magazine Prepub

Ditto on wanting to know the answer to this myself...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5547#Comment_5547

No pix.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5552#Comment_5552

That, IMHO, borders on near tragedy. I'm contemplating canceling my pre-order.... I just assumed.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5552#Comment_5552

No pix.

I hope this is not the case with the new edition? I am sure Logos are able to include pix.

Ted

Jack Caviness

I've read through the description that is posted here regarding these resources: http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/4633

When I go to the magazine's website, I learn they sell a cd-rom in pdf "text only" format. My question is, does the Libronix version include pictures, illustrations? I don't want to take it for granted. Can someone verify who has the first 51 issues? Thank you.

Joan

The sample pages on the product details page only shows one picture in the available pages. That is the logo (?) on the cover of the sample.

Jack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5562#Comment_5562

The reason I ask, gentlemen, (and I thank you all for your comments) is because I googled the resource and found the following in a review:

"Christian History & BiographyNow more than ever Christians are interested in discovering the historical facts of the Christian faith. Christian History & Biography magazine offers highly researched chronicles of the people and events that have shaped the fascinating journey of Christianity throughout the ages. Indepth, informative articles, graphics, illustrations, timelines and maps all enhance the retracing of Christianity's roots"

So, I concluded that the magazine included "graphics and illustrations" and I thought that the cd-rom that the magazine provides/sells was "text only" and wanted to check it out with those who had the Libronix format. I really want illustrations...so unless I hear differently, I will be dropping it from pre-pub. Thanks, again.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5563#Comment_5563

Sounds like we need someone from Logos to clarify this!?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5563#Comment_5563

"Christian History & BiographyNow more than ever Christians are interested in discovering the historical facts of the Christian faith. Christian History & Biography magazine offers highly researched chronicles of the people and events that have shaped the fascinating journey of Christianity throughout the ages. Indepth, informative articles, graphics, illustrations, timelines and maps all enhance the retracing of Christianity's roots"

Joan,

I assume you are familiar with the print version of this magazine. The graphics are GORGEOUS and the many timelines are so well done. The old axiom "A picture is worth a thousand words" falls short in the case of this publication. It is hands-down the BEST thing Christianity Today ever printed. It would be incomplete without the graphics. IMO

Bill Fitch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5569#Comment_5569

All the issues of the first set are complete with pics etc.

Bill Fitch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5573#Comment_5573

I am officially confused at this point, not hard to do. Bill or Matthew, are you saying the Libronix version has graphics etc. pics, maps?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5607#Comment_5607

One more thing. This is what is printed on the prepub page:

Key Features Included in Each Issue

Timelines
Excerpts and commentary on historical writings
Recommended resources for each issue
A “Did You Know?” column containing interesting facts and trivia
All Scripture references are linked to the Bibles in your digital library
The powerful search tools in your digital library help you find your way, pinpointing exactly what you need for your research projects.
Link Christian History & Biography to the rest of the reference works in your digital library, and explore what multiple reference works say about a single subject—all at once!

And in the sample pages, a timeline is included but it is in list form. Nowhere-- illustrations, maps, graphics.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5608#Comment_5608

Joan,

I don't know.

I hope it is fully graphic. I was thinking it would be a nice Christmas gift if it has all the pics, timelines and such.

I would really like to know.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5608#Comment_5608

Update.

When I first responded that there were no pictures, that was based on having updated to the new files. I just removed the updated files and reinstalled the older Logos 2.0 files. The older files do indeed have the pictures and timelines.

So it would appear that in this case, the older is better than the newer.

I would recommend keeping the older files for the first 50 or so volumes.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5614#Comment_5614

I wonder if there are other instances where some features (graphics) are lost with updated files?

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5614#Comment_5614

The older files do indeed have the pictures and timelines.

So it would appear that in this case, the older is better than the newer.

I don't get this, how can the older Logos 2.0 files be better than the present one, should it not be the other way round? I am still hoping we get the full works in the present edition but that may not be the case. Does anyone know the reason why Logos may choose not to include pix?

Ted

Kenneth Morris

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5614#Comment_5614

This is really disappointing. The reason I ordered the update was the rich content of the first 50 issues. I assumed the update would be of te same quality as the first 50 issues. I too am considering canceling.

Daniel Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5657#Comment_5657

I spoke with one of the sales representatives yesterday afternoon, and he confirmed that
the pre-pub of CH&B 1-99 should replicate the content available in
the print magazine. If you have questions, I would call and talk to
them directly.

Bobby Terhune

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5659#Comment_5659

I too have the older Logos 2.1 version of the Christian History resource, and I can tell you this, without the pictures, graphics and timelines the usefullness of this product has bee cut by more than half for me. I was apalled to fine my "updated" files gutted of the features that i have come to love. Perhaps the publisher has put this restraint on Logos, But I hope that Logos can go to bat for us on this one.

Bobby

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5659#Comment_5659

I spoke with one of the sales representatives yesterday afternoon, and he confirmed that the pre-pub of CH&B 1-99 should replicate the content available in the print magazine. If you have questions, I would call and talk to them directly.

I agree it should , but will it?

It would be nice to know for sure. I would rather wait 6 more months to have the "whole enchilada."

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5672#Comment_5672

I too called sales yesterday and discussed this with them. He told me that he could not say for 100% but that all of the similiar products have always retained the pictures. It was his assumption that the new product would also have the pictures. (I must admit it set me on my heels when he said, "no one knows for sure." I responded that someone MUST know since the product is nearly completed. His reply was that, "Well yes but whoever that is works in a different part of the building." Uh. Yeah.)

BryanP

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5675#Comment_5675

Hello,

Can anyone tell me a specific volume and section that contains some graphics?

Thanks,

Bobby Terhune

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5676#Comment_5676

If you're talking about the original Christian History product, they all had the complete magazine content with all the pictures, graphics and timelines included. If you're talking about the "New Updated" product all you get is the text with out the graphics and timelines the text is referring to. I noticed the "new" time line is a list of events listed in chronological order. It's helpful but nowhere the same as before.

Bobby

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5678#Comment_5678

Here are some side by side comparisons of the old and new files. I realize it is very small.

The "about this resource" pages are the same. No new search features available over the old file.
The old file shows the magazine cover.
The old file has the timeline in a chart. The new file has the timeline as a list.
The old file includes pictures. The new file does not.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5682#Comment_5682

Based on my conversation yesterday with Logos I will keep my prepub because I was told that the pictures should be there. BUT if the pictures and graphics are gone it will be a FOR SURE return on my part for a refund.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5683#Comment_5683

Randy,

I agree and am keeping it but, I must admit my ignorance here, is there a way to return and get a refund for a download? I've been a Logos user for over 7 years and cannot find it on the website.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5688#Comment_5688

I am unsure of downloads but it must work the same as a CD. I told the salesperson that I would return the product if it didn't have the images. He replied that there was never any problem returning anything to Logos if you were unhappy. Maybe there is someone on the forum that knows this to be ture for sure...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5694#Comment_5694

I did find this on the Logos website, Mission statement:

First-Class Service

All of us here at Logos want to provide you with first-class products and service. If we fail to exceed your expectations, please contact me so we can make it right.

Bob Pritchett
President/CEO

Phil Gons (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5567#Comment_5567

Sounds like we need someone from Logos to clarify this!?

Here’s the official word on Christian History and Biography Magazine:

Issues 1–8 and 10–51 will include all of the original images that were in the LLS product. We’re in the process of rebuilding the files and should have the new files with images available by the end of the week.

Issues 9 and 52–99 will be text only and will not include any images. The copyright holder does not have sublicensing rights for the images that they used, so we are unfortunately not able to include them.

We apologize for the confusion and are grateful for your feedback.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5726#Comment_5726

Thanks, Phil, for a definitive answer.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5727#Comment_5727

Thanks Logos!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5726#Comment_5726

Issues 1–8 and 10–51 will include all of the original images that were in the LLS product. We’re in the process of rebuilding the files and should have the new files with images available by the end of the week.

Having only half the graphics is like a hot fudge sundae without the whipped cream and cherry.

Issues 9 and 52–99 will be text only and will not include any images. The copyright holder does not have sublicensing rights for the images that they used, so we are unfortunately not able to include them.

It still tastes good but it's just not the same. [:(]

Steve Robinson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5739#Comment_5739

I've been weighing the option of simply accessing the magazines material online (for a subscription fee a fraction of the pre-pub price, but also without ANY graphics), but have decided to keep my pre-pub order. For a buck an issue, it's a very valuable resource to have 24/7 access to. And, face it, while the graphics are nice, it's more a matter of steak without steak sauce than a dessert without the toppings, if we are going to use analogies. The "meat" of any resource is the words that we can explore, "digest" and share.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5748#Comment_5748

And, face it, while the graphics are nice, it's more a matter of steak without steak sauce than a dessert without the toppings, if we are going to use analogies. The "meat" of any resource is the words that we can explore, "digest" and share.

For most of us that's true. I do have a few chidren that are visual learners. But I already bought all the back issues in print when they offered it years ago. The Logos version will be used as a teacher's resource.in my home. Therefore the text only will get the job done. It would not be that big of a deal if their graphics had been average. They just did an unusally good job in that magazine. My disappointment is I was hoping to give some as Christmas gifts. Now it is kind of like mismatched linens.

Brad Fry

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5726#Comment_5726

Wouldn't it be proper to include this information on the pre-pub for this product?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5752#Comment_5752

Sadly, I canceled my order with the revelation of half the pictures missing....

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5763#Comment_5763

my apologies for essentially reposting this as a "new" topic today. Hadn't seen this thread.

I guess I will keep my "new" set of CH mag, but I am very very disappointed. I like graphics and using them to both learn and teach. Whether it is a picture or a time-line, I want them included. I understand about "sub-licensing" restrictions and all, but you gotta think SOMETHING could be done. too often people don't know the answer or hit a wall and just stop.

Please don't let that be the case here. loved the "Sundae" images, btw. Didn't need to read the content to know what you meant . . . . wink wink.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/5726#Comment_5726

Here’s the official word on Christian History and Biography Magazine:

Issues 1–8 and 10–51 will include all of the original images that were in the LLS product. We’re in the process of rebuilding the files and should have the new files with images available by the end of the week.

Issues 9 and 52–99 will be text only and will not include any images. The copyright holder does not have sublicensing rights for the images that they used, so we are unfortunately not able to include them.

We apologize for the confusion and are grateful for your feedback.

Is this being pursued any further or is that the end of the line. I love the CH&B magazine's archives but I'm hoping that the graphics do arrive in the future!

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/13769#Comment_13769

still confused.. am I the only one that does not have page numbers on the "new" CHM.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/13794#Comment_13794

Sad to say, you're not alone. No page numbering in CHM. [:(]