L5 Full Function Tablet

Hey All,

Since American Airlines decided to demolish my Asus Transformer during my last business trip, I'm now on the market for a new tablet (for purchase in the next couple of months).

My unrealistic expectations:

- Full L5 functionality (Everything I can do on my Windows 7 Laptop)

- Battery life >/= 8 hours

- Size and Weight of a tablet (not a desktop with a handle)

- Price <$500

Once you've stopped laughing, could you point me in the direction of the tablet that comes closest to meeting my expectations?

Thanks,

Derek

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JT (alabama24)

could you point me in the direction of the tablet that comes closest to meeting my expectations?

There is nothing close.

You must be running the full version of windows to run L5.
The Surface Pro w/ keyboard will run you $1000+ for 64 GB; $1100 for 128GB
Microsoft has said that the Pro will get "about half" of the battery life of the RT. Translation: 4 - 5 hours.

Geo Philips

I am not sure about the pricing, but the best you can do is the Intel Atom based tablets running Windows 8 from Acer, Asus and possibly Samsung. They all come in at the $600 range and might go on sale for Christmas.

It still probably would be slower than your laptop.

Scott E. Mahle

Surface with Windows 8 Pro is the one I’m waiting for.

Patrick S.

Here's an absolutely off the wall suggestion I have thought about from time to time...

Get a really powerful desktop - Mac or Win - run Logos 5 on that and then remote desktop onto that machine to run Logos from that machine

Not as crazy as it sounds - as long as you are somewhere where there is reasonable Internet connection you could connect back to your 'server' to run Logos. Then your choices for a tablet could be much wider, even an iPad, would not need to be running Windows.

Joshua Coady

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/435936#Comment_435936

Thanks Patrick--for stealing my suggestion [8-|]

Though if you intend on using this solution away from free wi-fi, it likely wont meet the under $500 restriction due to monthly mobile internet costs.

Clint Cozier

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/435960#Comment_435960

I'm using an Lenovo Twist which I've come to really like. Its more laptop than tablet, but as a laptop its a very solid ultrabook. Pivot the screen around and its a very usable tablet. Doesn't get the battery life you're looking for (I get about 5 hours under "normal" use), but that's all I got out of the MBP it replaced. I think Staples was selling it for $799 on Black Friday, you might see that as "the" pricepoint after Christmas. I love it....your mileage may vary.

Richard Borden

I recently purchased a Windows 8 RT tablet. Logos is not available for the RT tablets, only an to read the books in your Logos library. I would recommend a Windows 8 Pro tablet, and stay away from the RT tablets until Logos comes out with a workable RT app.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436061#Comment_436061

stay away from the RT tablets until Logos comes out with a workable RT app.

…but even when they do, it won't be L4/L5!

JoshInRI

Sorry your Tablet was destroyed. Maybe you will reply and tell us all how it occurred so we do not face that problem one day.

As for my Nexus (I call her Nexy) every since the recent Android update, she is very buggy.

Yup, she bugs me....and thats no joke.[:'(]

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

My unrealistic expectations:

- Full L5 functionality (Everything I can do on my Windows 7 Laptop)

- Battery life >/= 8 hours

- Size and Weight of a tablet (not a desktop with a handle)

- Price <$500

Once you've stopped laughing, could you point me in the direction of the tablet that comes closest to meeting my expectations?

Dell Outlet has twitter coupon codes. Previous coupon codes have included Dell Latitude ST Tablet => www.dell.com/us/dfb/p/tablet-pcs-mobile-devices.aspx

When running Logos on a Dell Latitude ST Tablet, the 1.5 GHz Atom CPU has the speed characteristic of a netbook and battery life does not last 8 hours. The tablet weighs 2 pounds; the stylus uses a AAA battery for decent point and click. Without coupon code, noticed a Dell Outlet Latitude ST for $ 399 that has 2 GB Ram, 128 GB SSD, and Windows 7 Professional so could run Libronix 3.0g, Logos 4, or Logos 5. Caveat: for Logos 4 or Logos 5, recommend using a quick method 1 to copy Library and Indexes. The 1.5 GHz Atom is slow for indexing.

A refurbished MacBook Air with 4 GB Ram and 128 GB SSD is more than $ 500 => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_air

Keep Smiling [:)]

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436100#Comment_436100

Maybe you will reply and tell us all how it occurred so we do not face that problem one day.

\

Hey Joshua,

I typically carry my tablet on the plane with me in my laptop bag, but on this trip I was trying to reduce the weight of my laptop bag and stored it in the front pocket of my roller-board carryon...and forgot about it being in there when I had to gate-check it due to being on a small plane. When I retrieved my bag at my destination gate I was saddened to find that a souvenir I had purchased along with my tablet didn't make the final leg of my trip.

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/435934#Comment_435934

Surface with Windows 8 Pro is the one I’m waiting for.

It does look like that is the closest, now I need to find out how I can get a 50% discount. :-)

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436773#Comment_436773

It does look like that is the closest, now I need to find out how I can get a 50% discount

…but it also gets only half the battery life.

Patrick S.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436852#Comment_436852

It does look like that is the closest, now I need to find out how I can get a 50% discount

…but it also gets only half the battery life.

And I would be waiting to see reviews of performance of the Surface Pro because the CPU will likely be 'dialled down' to make it suitable for running on a tablet. Intel is not known to be on the leading edge of processors for mobile platforms. So there will be a valid query as to how well it will run a 'heavy' application like Logos 5.

And if you run Logos 5 on it expect the battery life to be even less.

Not saying don't buy it, but don't just rush in — particularly as it is not priced as an 'impulse buy'!

Dan

A MacBook Air meets all your expectations except for price.

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436869#Comment_436869

Not saying don't buy it, but don't just rush in — particularly as it is not priced as an 'impulse buy'!

I'm certainly not an early adopter, and I'm hoping by the time I get the money saved up, there will be an option for 2x the battery life.

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436875#Comment_436875

A MacBook Air meets all your expectations except for price.

I'd rather have a laptop, but there's something more socially acceptable about using a tablet in church or bible-study.

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436880#Comment_436880

Has anyone seen or used the "Samsung ATIV SmartPC" I looked at the description, and it didn't say it ran the "RT" version of windows 8, but again I'm not sure the difference between RT, Windows 8, and Windows 8 Pro.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Derek

Randy W. Sims

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/445255#Comment_445255

Has anyone seen or used the "Samsung ATIV SmartPC" I looked at the description, and it didn't say it ran the "RT" version of windows 8, but again I'm not sure the difference between RT, Windows 8, and Windows 8 Pro.

Any thoughts?

Samsung has a couple tablets. The ATIV SmartPC runs the Windows RT OS. It will only run down the scaled down version of the Logos app. Current versions of the app are very minimal, but it will soon be comparable to the iOS and Android versions of the app.

The ATIV SmartPC PRO runs the full Windows 8 OS, that is it is the only one capable of running the full version of Logos. It has decent specs for running Logos: 4GB RAM, which is the min I would consider (preferably 6 or 8 for smoother operation running multiple apps). It has 128 GB drive. You will need to be careful when considering drive space. From some of the reviews I've read of various other devices, you only end up with a fraction of that space by the time you subtract the recovery partion(s) and space taken by Windows & other included software. This device also has 1080p display, which is definitely what you want for a reader.

I don't remember any reviews popping up on that one yet, but the best spots I know of to check for reviews: Ars Technica, Engadet, AnandTech, CNet, PCWorld.

(I still want the Dell XPS 12, but Logos Christmas specials may have broke me from that.)

Jeff Jackson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/445263#Comment_445263

If you don't mind the weight, Consider a covertable tablet such as the Fujitsu T 902 All the power. and battery life of a laptop that can also be a relatively inconspicuous tablet

Derek Browning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/435964#Comment_435964

I'm using an Lenovo Twist which I've come to really like.

I've been considering this one. I'm curious how yours has held up since Dec 12? Would you still recommend it?

I was hoping to hold out until mid 2013 for another generation of tablets to give us a processor better than the Atom, with longer battery power...but it's not looking hopeful right now.

Any reco's would be welcomed.

George Somsel

My unrealistic expectations:

- Full L5 functionality (Everything I can do on my Windows 7 Laptop)

My, my, how spoiled we've become. I remember when Compac first came out with a portable computer which was much like a sewing machine in size—case and all. Today we want to be able to hold it in our hand.

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/436875#Comment_436875

A MacBook Air meets all your expectations except for price.

Except for that tablet thing.

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515056#Comment_515056

George misses the days when people walked to school and transportation advancement was a horse and buggy. (Just joshin a little)[:)]

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/445328#Comment_445328

Jeff, I thought I would buy several of these: one for myself and a few to give away to friends.

I mean they are only $2300...a real steal, huh?

(p.s....I am joshin with ya) Smile

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515122#Comment_515122

George misses the days when people walked to school and transportation advancement was a horse and buggy. (Just joshin a little)

I actually did walk 3 mi each way to high school. I was teasing my mother once and said that she had been around from horse and buggy days until landing on the moon to which she replied that she did go to school on the back of a wagon.

BTW: When I was in H.S. I remember the principal stating in assembly once that the H.S. had never been closed because of weather. Now that many of the kids get bused to school, it's not all that uncommon for the school to be shut for snow. When I was in VA I went to lunch one day and got a take-out so I could listen to the radio and noticed a few snowflakes falling at which point it was announced that school would be closed early—wimps.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515124#Comment_515124

Jeff, I thought I would buy several of these: one for myself and a few to give away to friends.

I mean they are only $2300...a real steal, huh?

(p.s....I am joshin with ya)

Joshin with Josh? [:D]

Lee

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/445263#Comment_445263

Hello Derek

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2/4540-3121_7-35411720-4.html

This link has the for the Lenovo at cnet. it may be good to check.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/435964#Comment_435964

I'm using an Lenovo Twist which I've come to really like. Its more laptop than tablet, but as a laptop its a very solid ultrabook. Pivot the screen around and its a very usable tablet. Doesn't get the battery life you're looking for (I get about 5 hours under "normal" use), but that's all I got out of the MBP it replaced. I think Staples was selling it for $799 on Black Friday, you might see that as "the" pricepoint after Christmas. I love it....your mileage may vary.

This echoes my experience with the Lenova Twist. I see slightly less battery life, but am almost always using WiFi. I wish the touch screen used the older "pen" type stylus. Good choice for running L5.

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515266#Comment_515266

Hello Derek

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2/4540-3121_7-35411720-4.html

This link has the for the Lenovo at cnet. it may be good to check.

Here is the CNET review of the Lenova Twist:

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-twist/4505-3121_7-35477956.html

JoshInRI

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515276#Comment_515276

All of this sounds like a pass to me

"The screen accelerometer can have a mind of its own, flipping into portrait view randomly. Battery life is merely OK, and the screen resolution is low for a modern laptop/tablet convertible."

To be fair, most of the tablets suffer with similar issues.

Sigh....one day my desired Logos 5.0 Tablet will come O Lord....but I believe you may come back first though.

Hooray!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515462#Comment_515462

I'm sticking with my Lenovo x220 i7 tablet . Dual extended batteries. Logosian5 almost running off of memory. Finger scrolling 96 (count 'em) resources in real time. And 12 hours later, still screen-bright and cpu-sassy. They didn't make ToolTime for Babes for nothing.

David Saylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515466#Comment_515466

Check out this thread too. It's about running Logos 5 on an Asus Win 8 tablet...

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/73755.aspx

Jeff Jackson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/515533#Comment_515533

I just got a Surface Pro 2 and so far, it's proving to be a pretty cool Logos device.

Claybon Collins Jr

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/556591#Comment_556591

I've had my Surface Pro 2 for over a month and it is just what I wanted. It does everything my desktop does with L5.....love it!!

Patrick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/556591#Comment_556591

Just got my Surface Pro 2. Everything is great so far.