Fix a Search in KJV 1909

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Jason Saling - www.NapavineBaptist.com | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2012 8:34 PM

Searching Bethlehem wouldn't give me any results, I had to add the dash, Beth-lehem. Suggest allowing it to find Bethlehem either way.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 23 2012 12:34 AM

I hope you also reported it as a typo (right click)

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 24 2012 12:21 PM

MJ. Smith:

I hope you also reported it as a typo (right click)

But it's not a typo: that's how the place name was spelt in the 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJV. (A similar example is that the KJV1900 OT uses "Melchizedek" while the NE uses "Melchisedec"; you'd have to search for both to find all mentions across the whole Bible.)

We will consider ignoring hyphens when searching. At the moment, this is not possible in the software.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 24 2012 3:06 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
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Bradley Grainger (Logos):
But it's not a typo: that's how the place name was spelt in the 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJV.

Peace to you, Bradley!             What an incredibly wonderful job you have done for Logos and for all us users for these many, many years!  Thank you very much; and I do indeed thank God for you!             A Blessed and Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones!             *smile*    

            I notice you used "spelt"!   *smile*          Interesting!     I would have used "spelled"!  But, I like "spelt" better!                 Not that it matters, however, I find the various usages within the English Languages very interesting; and you guys honestly do a Fantastic Job in providing us with the very best Bible Software there is  ....   with all the ins and outs and the bells and whistles!     Thank you!  

 Just a brief sharing of the results of some of my looking on the internet, just on this one word  ...  and my many, many Logos resources have many words!   ....

Spelled vs. spelt

In American English, spelt primarily refers to the hardy wheat grown mostly in Europe, and the verb spell makes spelled in the past tense and as a past participle. In all other main varieties of English, spelt and spelled both work as the past tense and past participle of spell, at least where spell means to form words letter by letter or (with out) to make clear. Outside the U.S., the two forms are interchangeable in these senses, and both are commonly used.

But when spell carries the sense to temporarily relieve (someone) from workspelled is the preferred form throughout the English-speaking world. This is a minor point, though, as this sense of spell is rarely used outside the U.S., where it is most common.

Spelled is not a recent Americanism, as many people assume. Both spelled and spelt are old, and examples of each are easily found in historical Google Books searches covering the 17th and 18th centuries. It is true, however, that spelt was ascendant everywhere through most of the 19th century. This ended when the Americans permanently settled on spelled around 1900.

Examples

American publications (and Canadian ones to a lesser extent) prefer spelled over spelt for all uses relating to the verb spell—for example:

They spelled out broad, clear theories of human behavior. [San Francisco Chronicle]

While the comment carried an obvious implication, he spelled it out for the first time Tuesday. [Globe and Mail]

Trump’s advisers later note that “absolutely” and “lime” are spelled wrong. [Star-Ledger]

Unless we’re missing something, U.K., Irish, Australian, and New Zealand writers make no distinction between spelled and spelt. Don’t bother trying to find any difference between the words in these examples, which we have chosen more or less at random, because there is none:

Will they skip through thousands of mundane and badly spelled missives from authors? [Independent]

Her name was Joanna (or “Jo”) Hiffernan – you probably want to correct that, but it was how both she and her father spelt it. [Irish Times]

The sect’s strict rules are clearly spelled out on the wall of the gates. [New Zealand Herald]

He has also calmly spelt out his own desire to end his life when he chooses, not when the disease does. [Daily Mail]

Campaigners behind a community bid to rescue Leith Waterworld today spelled out how the leisure pool could be given a new lease of life. [Scotsman]

Their temperamental differences are spelt out in other ways. [Sydney Morning Herald]

 

 

 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 24 2012 4:02 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
But it's not a typo: that's how the place name was spelt in the 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJV. (A similar example is that the KJV1900 OT uses "Melchizedek" while the NE uses "Melchisedec"; you'd have to search for both to find all mentions across the whole Bible.)

I was kind of suspecting that.  But still I was a bit surprised at the report since Logos Stemming seems to get so many close hits on searches I use.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 24 2012 5:11 PM

Bradley Grainger (Logos):
But it's not a typo: that's how the place name was spelt in the 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJV.

Got it - the search was a straight surface text search.

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