Missing Microsoft Office Smart Tags for Logos 4.0

Bible verse smarttag recognition in MS Word was one of the BEST FEATURES about Logos v3.0.

Why is the SMART TAG's feature missing in Logos v.4.0???

Most people use Microsoft Word to organize their bible studies and it was great to just type in the bible verse and bang! It would pop in the verse right there! This got taken away and hopefully it comes back soon.

To make matters worse... the copy and paste basic functionality in Logos v4.0 is horrible! Try using copy and paste to capture a bible verse and it is not very intuitive. I normally use CTRL C to copy text and this does not even work. I tried using the right click to COPY and this does not work either...

How do you copy and paste Bible verses into Word or any app for that matter? Why is it so difficult?

When can we get our MS Office smarttags back?

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spitzerpl

To make matters worse... the copy and paste basic functionality in Logos v4.0 is horrible! Try using copy and paste to capture a bible verse and it is not very intuitive. I normally use CTRL C to copy text and this does not even work. I tried using the right click to COPY and this does not work either...

Hummm...These methods work for me....

How do you copy and paste Bible verses into Word or any app for that matter? Why is it so difficult?

Have you tried the Copy Bible Verses feature? (tools>copy Bible Verse)

Jason Durocher

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49179#Comment_49179

That's odd... in some bibles it gives you the ability to COPY in the right click menu and in others it doesn't.

These are some of the bibles it is preventing me from using the COPY feature in the right click menu:

KJV, NASB95, ESV, NRSV

PS : Copy Bible Verses feature (tools>copy Bible Verse) works fine... thanks for that...but not very intuitive.

Jason Durocher

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49188#Comment_49188

Here is a screen capture attached if you are interested in what my right click menu looks like in the KJV bible. Notice COPY is missing. It should be located above the "Open" command.

Please re-introduce the MS Office smart tags!

Damian McGrath

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49190#Comment_49190

Jason,

You're on the "strongs" tab. You need to select the "selection" tab at the top or the bible reference tab....

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49190#Comment_49190

Here is a screen capture attached if you are interested in what my right click menu looks like in the KJV bible. Notice COPY is missing. It should be located above the "Open" command.

As Damian said, you highlighted the "Strong's" tab which gives you options for the Strong's numbers. You need to click on the "Reference" Tab and then read those options.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49220#Comment_49220

Joe,

Looks like you need to clean up those 'Untitled Guides'. (And I thought I was messy when I had three!)

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49277#Comment_49277

HI Mark, I thought someone might notice that. It is actually a bug in the current Mac Alpha 5. I recall a similar bug in the L4win RC 1 or 2. Good eye though :-)

Steven L. Spencer

Please, Logos, bring back the smart-tags. This is a feature I was highly dependent upon. It was quick and easy. I would request that you make this feature a priority.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49286#Comment_49286

Please, Logos, bring back the smart-tags. This is a feature I was highly dependent upon. It was quick and easy. I would request that you make this feature a priority.

I may be incorrect, but if memory serves Logos has commented on this before... possibly during the beta testing process.

As I recall, the problem was not a Logos decision but in how MS Word has changed the way other programs can access it. MS appears to have changed things to resist viruses infecting their program and this limits Logos from implementing this feature.

Maybe someone can confirm or refute this, but that is my memory on this topic.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49290#Comment_49290

As I recall, the problem was not a Logos decision but in how MS Word has changed the way other programs can access it. MS appears to have changed things to resist viruses infecting their program and this limits Logos from implementing this feature.

I don't recall that thread. L3 smart tags work in office 2010. I thought it would be a simple matter of changing the program it sends links to. I do recall Bob saying they will look into smarttags, but have heard no official "yes, they'll be there) yet.

Jason Durocher

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49307#Comment_49307

Ah.. thanks for showing me the trick with the selection on the right side... much better.

Please bring back Logos smart tags. MS has not changed anything in regards to this. Office 2010 beta works with the Smart tags from v3.0 just fine. I use and depend on this feature quite a bit.

Christopher Powell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49423#Comment_49423

+1 - Smart Tags are a key feature for me. If Logos is not planning on supporting them - or replacing them with something even easier (that doesn't require lots of clicks/switching back forth), I will have to evaluate other options.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49425#Comment_49425

Smart Tags are a key feature for me.

[Y] +1

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49427#Comment_49427

Boy I wish I could remember where I read stuff on this. I thought during the Beta testing there was a discussion on this topic. Maybe the problem was with the .NET and MS Word.

I am fairly certain thought that Logos did plan on bringing this back in at some point.

I never used Tags, so I did not pay enough attention. Sorry.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49435#Comment_49435

The word from Logos was that to create a Smart Tag they had to wait until they were ready to open up the API. (Don't ask me what that's all about, except its a big deal with a bunch of documentation needed, I gathered.) They don't expect to do that soon.

I think they also were not aware there was as much interest in this as has been shown. I hope this means it is on their to-do list and we will see it sooner than later.

Until then I still have the capability through 3.0.

Christopher Powell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49469#Comment_49469

I don't quite understand that if they can get it to work under Logos 3, (and it works by all testimonies in Office 2007 - the one I run and even in the beta of Office 2010) the problem can't be Microsoft, they have already opened up the API (Logos is not the only 3rd party software or even Bible software that uses SmartTags). Thus, in my understanding, the choice to include SmartTags in v.4 is Logos' alone.

Rob Kuefner

I'll chime in as one who made use of smart tags frequently, and would have to have it functioning in 4.0, and since my main computer use is on my laptop which only has 4.0 on it, I'd love to see it sooner rather than later. I can still copy and paste, so it's not unbearable, but it was sure sweet to be working in word and just typing in the passage and having it inserted without having to go into Logos.

Markus Schiller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49492#Comment_49492

IMHO the smart tags feature is absolutely necessary! So please, Logos, give it a high priority.

Danny Parker

I too am circumventing the problem with verse copy, but the smart tags are much more convenient. It is one of the only reasons I still have L3 around besides waiting for notes and highlight transfering.

Rich DeRuiter

I don't know what all the fuss is about.

I don't have MS Word and don't miss this at all. [;)]

Seriously though, as MS looses it's grip on the office suite standard (with OpenOffice and Google Docs quickly replacing MS Office for many people), it's hard to imagine that a function specific to one office suite should dominate Logos' development time. I don't even have a copy of MS Word on my current laptop or desktop (still a die-hard WordPerfect user).

I would love to have an always on "ref-tagger" like program that would making inserting a passage into any word processor (including NotePad, or an html editor for that matter), by a simple highlight and key-combo. Alternatively an open API to allow access to resources from a macro, or other tool would be great too. Either of these approaches makes much more sense to me than smart-tags.

I say this, of course, with total objectivity, and with no self-interest in mind at all. [A]

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49477#Comment_49477

... if they can get it to work under Logos 3, ... the problem can't be Microsoft, they have already opened up the API (Logos is not the only 3rd party software or even Bible software that uses SmartTags).

Right, nothing has changed on Microsoft's end, but things have changed with Logos 4. In particular, there isn't yet any L4 equivalent to the Logos 3 API, which i believe is what MS Word used "under the hood" for the Smart Tags feature. Since the entire L4 software architecture has changed, producing a public L4 API will take a lot of work.

I'm sorry we can't provide that functionality today, but i wanted to provide a clear statement as to why.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49580#Comment_49580

smart tags ... one of the only reasons I still have L3 around

Same here. The biggest barrier to getting me to uninstall L3 is still L3's unmatched capability, with smart tags at the top of my list.

However, STILL LOVING L4!

Bill

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49613#Comment_49613

today

Hi Sean,

For me, it'd significantly change the conversation if Smart Tags went on the "To Do" list, even for "Someday"...

Thanks for listening!

Bill

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49613#Comment_49613

So Sean,

Is there an official Logos decision on Smart Tags? For me personally it is a must have feature... As much as I love many features of V4, I do not wish to invest the time in mastering it if Smart Tags are not part of the vision for V4.

We have had comments regarding the surprise in how popular the Smart Tags feature was and some explanation of why Smart Tags is not around for V4... However we still have not had an official statement on Smart Tags for V4 yet... This from back in PC Beta Testing days...

Robert M. Warren

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49290#Comment_49290

As I recall, the problem was not a Logos decision but in how MS Word has changed the way other programs can access it. MS appears to have changed things to resist viruses infecting their program and this limits Logos from implementing this feature.

Sounds like something MS would do. Someone needs to tell MS that we certainly could totally eliminate the virus threat if we just don't turn our computers on.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49774#Comment_49774

As I recall, the problem was not a Logos decision but in how MS Word has changed the way other programs can access it. MS appears to have changed things to resist viruses infecting their program and this limits Logos from implementing this feature.

Sounds like something MS would do. Someone needs to tell MS that we certainly could totally eliminate the virus threat if we just don't turn our computers on.

It seems in this case my memory failed. It was not a change in MS. Logos gave a more accurate response several posts ago. Sorry to mislead you.. but it does sound like a MS move though, huh? :-)

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49678#Comment_49678

However we still have not had an official statement on Smart Tags for V4 yet...

Frank:

I can do clarification, understanding, explanation, conciliation, and
much more. However, "official statements" are beyond my pay grade [:)].

James K Brackett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49826#Comment_49826

Smart tags are important - one of the greatest functions of Logos in my opinion. I didn't even know that it was an option until I saw someone do it, since then I have gotten very used to it. It is a huge feature. Now I will be writing sermons with L3 and L4 open.

Steven L. Spencer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/49580#Comment_49580

The smart-tag function in Logos 3 is the ONLY reason I still have Logos 3. I hope that the folks at LOGOS will make this a high priority. It was SO convenient and simple. Once this function is available for Logos4 (as well as note transfers from L3 to L4 is complete) well, goodbye to my old friend L3