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Joseph Luna | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 30 2012 5:03 PM

Looking at the future of computers and Cloud services that are coming out today where laptops seem to be less and less popular, I wonder if Logos will eventually let us simply use their software for a monthly price "on the air" so that any Chrome laptop will be able to handle their constant upgrading without worrying how much Ram or harddrive we own.

Just thinking aloud... 

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 5:06 PM

The problem with that is the Chromebook uses an android OS that can't handle a full version of Logos.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 5:11 PM

The closest they have is Biblia, although perhaps when you mentioned software perhaps you were thinking more of content which would open a whole new can of worms. 

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 5:11 PM

I would rather pay the price for a package now without the concern of my subscription running out in the future with no access to my resources. Buy vs rent.

 

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 5:14 PM

Alan Charles Gielczyk:

The problem with that is the Chromebook uses an android OS that can't handle a full version of Logos.

Actually they run Chrome OS, and currently the way you'd access Logos on a Chromebook is through Biblia.com. 

I can see Logos moving to a more streaming content delivery system (instead of the huge downloads today), and embracing web apps and mobile apps more as we move into a post PC era. 

I can also see where a subscription may be practical in the future if we wanted all access or a large collection of books without having to shell out the large upfront costs. Combine them with Logos' datasets and it could be a good value.

I think it'll be quite a way off before it happens. I have visualized this and asked myself "What would Bible Software look like if rebuilt for the post PC era?". What I saw was quite exciting.

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The Redlines | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 7:14 PM

Erwin Stull, Sr.:

I would rather pay the price for a package now without the concern of my subscription running out in the future with no access to my resources. Buy vs rent.

 

Agreed 100%. There is a lot to appreciate as far as the abilities of the cloud but LOGOS is different in that I own resources. I am a missionary and most times don't have access to internet. I absolutely need the stand alone ability. LOGOS would quickly lose all value should it go to cloud only. Not to mention being a missionary, I can't afford and won't add anything that requires a monthly charge.   

 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2012 8:04 PM

The thought of a monthly subscription charge doesn't appeal to me at all. I like it the way it is.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 3:38 AM

IMHO what most people don't like about a monthly subscription model is the seeming commitment to a future expenditure stream and the difference in ownership rights, real or implied.

I would bet for a number of customers, if you added up what you spent on Logos over the last 12 or 24 months, divided by 12 or 24, you would never have agreed to a monthly charge of even 90% of that amount to get access to the full library or some superset of the Logos resources over that which you currently own.  More for less would not even have been considered because of the stigma of the subscription.

Subscription is a principle that many are just dead-set against, even though it can and frequently does make better economic sense for individuals. Just sayin'.

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Wayne | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 4:01 AM

I think it will happen down the road. Initially it would likely be offered as an option. The price would have to be based on use. Authors and publishers would be paid based on how much they are used. I believe that Bob already mentioned that as a possibility for the future. It would be ideal for students who need to access a book for doing a paper. I believe there would be resistance at the beginning, but most would warm up to the possibility. They may have gone to far down the road of selling individual resources to move away from that model.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 4:20 AM

Wayne:

I think it will happen down the road. Initially it would likely be offered as an option. The price would have to be based on use. Authors and publishers would be paid based on how much they are used. I believe that Bob already mentioned that as a possibility for the future. It would be ideal for students who need to access a book for doing a paper. I believe there would be resistance at the beginning, but most would warm up to the possibility. They may have gone to far down the road of selling individual resources to move away from that model.

They'll take my resources when they pry them from my cold, dead HD. 

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 4:49 AM

I don't read every book fast, I want to have a lot of time for reading some books. No, I would not want a combination of owning some books and paying a subscription fee for others. Either I want a book or not.
Some books that I want I'm not buying now, I'm waiting for new editions, such as BDAG - I can also manage without it until 2021 when approximately (based on how frequently the editions have historically been released) the new edition will come out.

There is another problem: I would not agree with the theological leaning of most books that Logos offers. I'm afraid that Logos will never offer for example a subscription of Anabaptist resources only!! Sad

Very soon I've bought all books that I want, after that all I want are books that are now in pre-pub.

To me, being Christian is a lifetime commitment. True, it doesn't have to take up very much of my time every year, but anyway in the long run I basically want to keep my books just in case I want to see them again. And yes I think I'm pretty cost aware - I've debated with everyone about books, with my girlfriend (who is just my buddy right now since she doesn't love me anymore but I have hopes that she will again some day, and she grew tired of hearing about Logos), my parents, on Logos User Forums, and on Christianforums.com, I've cancelled many orders and/or made many changes to what I want, and I've considered many options.

True, there are some books I will probably only use in college. Still, it's nice to have them from then on for decades so that I can rehearse them - and I think they will contain a lot of notes and highlightings I would like to see again in their context.

Probably many would require that after the subscription ends You would still have access to the context of the notes and highlightings You've made in the books You used to have access to. Customers could specify to which books it would apply.

It sounds like a good bussiness idea but personally I would like it to be optional, and like others said many have a principle of not taking subscriptions. I mean, it's not like for example a subscription on the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine on paper, where You can keep the magazines all Your life (they do offer a digital subscription too which limits the time You have access to the magazines but which is considerably cheaper for international customers, I would still prefer the print edition and I'm perhaps going to subscribe to it (on paper that is)).

I think that the biggest problem with the idea is making people pay for their actual use. On the other hand, unlimited access to a vast collection would limit the customer base basically to pastors, full time students and perhaps professors and other who author papers or books. Another related problem would be that You would loose control of Your costs, no matter which pricing model would be implemented, it would become difficult to survey the actual costs. People would have to try it out to see what it costs - and there we have the problem of many having a principle against subscription fees and usage based fees.

EDIT: I WOULD HATE IT TO BE INTERNET CLOUD BASED - IT SHOULD OF COURSE BE LICENSE AND DISK -BASED - the latter is what I had in mind when I wrote this post!!!!

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 4:56 AM

The Redlines:

Erwin Stull, Sr.:

I would rather pay the price for a package now without the concern of my subscription running out in the future with no access to my resources. Buy vs rent.

Agreed 100%. There is a lot to appreciate as far as the abilities of the cloud but LOGOS is different in that I own resources. I am a missionary and most times don't have access to internet. I absolutely need the stand alone ability. LOGOS would quickly lose all value should it go to cloud only. Not to mention being a missionary, I can't afford and won't add anything that requires a monthly charge.   

 

 

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Tes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 4:58 AM

Tes:

The Redlines:

Erwin Stull, Sr.:

I would rather pay the price for a package now without the concern of my subscription running out in the future with no access to my resources. Buy vs rent.

 

Agreed 100%. There is a lot to appreciate as far as the abilities of the cloud but LOGOS is different in that I own resources. I am a missionary and most times don't have access to internet. I absolutely need the stand alone ability. LOGOS would quickly lose all value should it go to cloud only. Not to mention being a missionary, I can't afford and won't add anything that requires a monthly charge.   

 

 

Blessings in Christ.

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 5:03 AM

Hello Wayne,

Wayne:
Initially it would likely be offered as an option. The price would have to be based on use. Authors and publishers would be paid based on how much they are used.
You, sound too sure of something that is just at this point speculation.

Wayne:
I believe that Bob already mentioned that as a possibility for the future.
 Really, would you mind pointing us to the thread in question?

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 5:03 AM

The Redlines:
Agreed 100%. There is a lot to appreciate as far as the abilities of the cloud but LOGOS is different in that I own resources. I am a missionary and most times don't have access to internet. I absolutely need the stand alone ability. LOGOS would quickly lose all value should it go to cloud only. Not to mention being a missionary, I can't afford and won't add anything that requires a monthly charge.   

Amen! I am not a missionary but I can totally agree with this point of view.  

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 8:38 AM

George Somsel:
They'll take my resources when they pry them from my cold, dead HD.

George, You are echoing my sentiments I posted over three years ago when discussing the subscription model in a thread about How Much Do You Spend on Logos? 

I do not believe Bob will offer unlimited access to the full library of Logos resources any time soon. There are three issues I see hindering that "progress": 

  1. I don't see all publishers getting on board with a subscription model.
  2. An unlimited access subscription would be unaffordable for most users.
  3. An unlimited access subscription model would cause Logos to lose the future "mega buyers" who make lots of individual purchases that rack up to tens of thousands of dollars.

Then there is the idea of "ownership" that is still embraced by many.....    Coffee

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2012 8:56 AM

Super Tramp:
Then there is the idea of "ownership" that is still embraced by many.....    Coffee

Yep, call me possessive if you like.

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