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Richard Kingston | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 21 2013 7:42 AM

There is a good review of the Samsung Ativ Smart PC Pro W700T on Engadget:

This is the Core i5, 4GB, 11.6inch. HD screen, 128GB RAM model.

Just a comment I think supported by many: don't buy an Atom based, 2GB Win8 tablet if you want to run Logos 5. Even with a correctly powered Win8 tablet, Logos 5 in the desktop mode on the smaller screen may not be to everyone's liking - the fully feature Win8 version will be the Logos to fully take advantage of the new operating system and hardware.

Hope this helps someone,






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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 21 2013 8:55 AM

Lets hope God answers our prayer for affordable hardware in Tablet form that will run the full L5 well and efficiently and (gulp) cheaply.


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Richard Kingston | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2013 5:45 PM

I took back the Samsung Ativ Smart PC Pro W700T. It ran Logos 5 very smoothly. Personally I think the keyboard was better for the navigation than the stylus. Very clear text. But for me personally, the problem was this: the tablet has its weight in the tablet itself, behind the screen. So, when connected to the keyboard, it is top heavy and was constantly falling over. Even with it placed on a table, using the touch screen was an exercise in gentleness. I found myself holding onto the keyboard when touching the screen to keep it balanced. Agreed you can use the trackpad on the keyboard only, but when switching to other apps e.g. Evernote or Google Drive, or the internet when doing research, the machine wobbled precariously. Other than that the specs were very sufficient for the task. The Microsoft Surface Pro has a wonderful built in kickstand that would alleviate the problem, though you would probably need to use it on a table not your lap. It undoubtedly would be great for some, but not me. Back it went. I am now trying out an ultraportable non-touch laptop. We'll see how that goes. 

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2013 6:19 PM

While the MS Surface kickstand is useful for holding the tablet in a stable position while using it with the attached keyboard, I found the angle to be too far forward to facillitate using the screen in touch mode (fine for view mode).  If the angle could be varied we might get the best of both worlds (touch and keyboard).  There are two types of keyboard available for the MS Surface, I found the touch cover required enough additional effort to get each key to operate (compared to a conventional keyboard) that it significantly slowed the way I type and constantly required proof reading to make sure all the letters had registerd. Have not found anywhere locally with a more conventional type cover in stock yet, so have yet to have the opportunity to try that one.  Also have not yet found anywhere with a Pro with 128GB Ram in stock and the 64GB model has next to useless amount of memory left straight out of the box, so seems pointless trying that with Logos 5 and other applications let alone any significant amount of books, data, photos or music.

Perhaps a different keyboard for the Samsung, with perhaps even an additional battery in it to help prolong usability and stabilize the screen part may help sway me towards a Samsung.  Not convinced either is quite there yet.  Maybe it is still a case of needing to wait until we get a little more user experience feedback incorporated and maybe even move to a 256GB standard and a more reasonable price (under $1000 WITH all the add ons like video adapters, keyboards and stylus). As they say, wait three months and the whole picture will likely have changed.

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Victor Morrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 1 2013 9:46 PM

I'm looking at a Asus Transformer Book.  It has an Intel i7 processor with 4G ram, 128G solid state drive in the tablet and a 500G hard drive in the keyboard dock.

I am a pastoral student focusing on missions and think this will be a great option for both the ease of use of the tablet plus the full functionality of Windows 8.

Anyone have a thought or suggestion?

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 1:48 AM

Does it come with a pen?

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Darren Loechel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 2:41 AM

Pen - active stylus.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 10:13 AM

I tried the Surface Pro and the volume rocker at 100% couldnt be heard.  The machine heats up easily and is too heavy for me.  I couldnt test Logos 5 on it.  Too pricey for me too.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 10:34 AM

Mr. heart skipped a beat imagining your transformerbook might be a good selection for us all.  Have you tried it yet with Logos 5.  Does it come with an active digital pen (??).  Anyone got a decent review of this option anyplace and a low cost to go with a positive review yet?



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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 10:42 AM

Where do you buy this in the US?  Is it available yet?  What does it cost?

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Victor Morrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 10:52 AM

It's not on the shelves yet, but it can be Pre-ordered for $1495.  It seems a bit pricey, but if it does what it states in the reviews, it will be worth every penny.

The Asus Transformer Tablet does not come with a pen.  The best I can find is that it does not have active pen support.  I don't know how much that will effect it's use.  I use a stylus on my iPad and that's OK for me.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 10:56 AM

too rich for my blood.  I looked around the internet and found the price you said as well.

my wife would divorce me if I paid that price for a piece of technology.

I wonder if its too ridiculous a prayer to ask that Logos make a touch friendly full function app for Windows 8 and then tell us what budget friendly hardware it runs on?

Lord here my (silly) prayer. 

May YOU Father be glorified forevermore.


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Stephen Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 2 2013 5:45 PM

This is not the one I have.  I have the Samsung Ativ XE700T1C-A01US Smart PC Pro 700T. This one has an aluminum keyboard which is much heavier than the tablet that plugs into the keyboard. Due to the center of gravity, it is impossible for the combination to fall over backwards during normal use of finger or stylus selection. This was a problem on the earlier version, which Samsung worked hard to fix. As I've said repeatedly, I use this machine all the time, and have no complaints.

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2013 8:40 AM

We seem to be seeing today a significant price drop in the 250GB SSD (by Samsung and by OCZ).  Hopefully this will quickly translate into the broad availability of 250GB tablets running Windows 8 Pro so that the restrictions of much smaller SSDs (with a full Windows Operating system and recovery partition taking most of the space) can be finally eliminated.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2013 10:10 PM

Steve Charles:
I have the Samsung Ativ XE700T1C-A01US Smart PC Pro 700T.

Hi Steve,

I took the plunge and ordered mine today. Your rave reviews have won me over. I like the size & weight, screen res, the digitizer, everything looks perfect except the RAM and SSD, but it sounds like it's still more than adequate from your description.

My library is a bit smaller than yours (~5k resources) so it looks like it should have enough space for the moment. I was wondering if you removed the recovery partition(s) and if you did what procedure you used? Or did you find you had sufficient space, leaving them intact?

Another alternative I'm seriously thinking about is going ahead and upgrading the SSD to 256GB. From what I've read it looks fairly simple to swap in a new SSD. The Crucial 256 GB or Mushkin 480 GB ($$$) seem to work well according to the thread here:

I just wish there was a way to upgrade the RAM. This thing would fly!

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Richard Kingston | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2013 7:11 AM


I would not worry about the 4GB. I too had my concerns, but the Ativ is super quick and slick running every app I threw at it - not many agreed - but enough: Logos 5, Google Chrome, OpenOffice, OliveTree Bible. I had no problems whatsoever. I did not keep the machine long enough to determine if the 128GB was large enough, but it does have an SD slot for additional storage. 

It seems from other posts that I might have received an earlier version or at least a different one from the US version in that mine was top heavy and touching the screen would make it unstable. I believe Steve Charles has given the specs of one that is better balanced (sorry Steve if it was another poster). Logos worked a dream on it with the stylus input. 

Yes, I did return it and have replaced it with a MacBook Air 11.6inch - and totally love it. My first Mac - and for me - it is the best Logos study tool I know of. But that is just my preference. 

Incidentally, there are a number of articles for the MacBook Air on how to increase disc space, e.g. removing the foreign language fonts from the o/s save 1.9GB and removing the printer drivers for printers that you will not use, removes another 1 or 2 GB. You might want to research that for the Ativ.

God Bless,


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Stephen Charles | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2013 2:37 PM

Hi Shayne,

Now I'm really on the spot!  No worries, I believe you will really like the tablet.  I did not remove the recovery partition.  That said with all the software I have installed, I still have over 30Gb free on the SSD.  I also have a 64Gb microSD card which I use for files, and this works fine.  I've been thinking about putting a 256Gb SSD in as well.  Samsung has a cool imaging app which takes an image of your system, which I believe could be used to put it on a new drive.  Also, don't worry about the 4Gb of RAM.  I can run multiple applications, including 64bit Photoshop CS6, and everything is at least as fast as my work machine, which has 8Gb.



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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 6 2013 7:54 PM

Thanks Richard & Steve. I appreciate the feedback. I'm feeling much more confident with the decision. Hopefully, I will receive the unit tomorrow (along w/ 64GB SD Card, an extra full size pen, and case). Can't wait to play with it! I think it might be a near perfect Logos device.

Looks like some people have hit little glitches trying to remove recovery partition. I will likely leave it and if all goes as well as I expect, and if I can pop the back easy enough without breaking it, I will likely go ahead and order the 256 GB drive. (How much you wanna bet that they'll release a 8GB RAM, 256 GB SSD version within next month or two?)

Hm, hadn't got around to thinking about putting Photoshop and Lightroom on it. It might make a good platform for touching up RAW camera files when away from the desktop. Might even be easier, interacting directly with the image.

Thanks again for all the info. Looking forward to laying hands on it tomorrow.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 7 2013 8:48 AM

Anyone use that Acer 510 successfully?  I cannot afford these expensive machines every one is touting.


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