Charismatic Chaos

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 2 2013 10:26 AM

I'd like John MacArthur's charismatic Chaos added. 

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Shawn Drewett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 11:13 AM

I requested this a long time ago. I would love to have it.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 11:26 AM

I would like to request "the Baptist Chaos". Just kidding Stick out tongue

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Daniel Bender | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 11:36 AM

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Anthony H | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 12:15 PM

Slava Novik:

I would like to request "the Baptist Chaos". Just kidding Stick out tongue

 

Perhaps "Sectarian Chaos".    Surprise   Embarrassed  Stick out tongue

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Dean J | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 12:30 PM

Slava Novik:

I would like to request "the Baptist Chaos". Just kidding Stick out tongue

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2013 7:04 PM

Josh Hunt:

I'd like John MacArthur's charismatic Chaos added. 

Yes

I wonder why it isn't a part of his collected works.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2013 7:04 PM

Slava Novik:

I would like to request "the Baptist Chaos". Just kidding Stick out tongue

Yes, we Baptists are capable of causing quite a lot of it.

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Is Mebin | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2013 7:16 PM

I would not buy it...for those of the Charismatic and/or Pentecostal persuasion this is an insulting book...one that brought much division to the body of Christ...I'd rather read up on something more ecumenical.  Doctrinal purity is one thing, but love for one another is the higher concern.  I respect the suggestion though.

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 12:29 AM

Love for Christ demands doctrinal purity and is not antithetical to loving one another.We are to rebuke and exhort, I am thankful that Christ through His church at times reproves and rebukes me.It proves that I am a child of God. This book has been instrumental in hrlping several of my friends out of doctrinal error.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 6:45 AM

Is brings up interesting questions.  And if you read the marketing on the book, obviously it admits its own intensional divisiveness.

I just did a search on the mormon faith in Logos; looks pretty divisive. But probably a sizable portion of the Logos population would say that's ok ... they're not 'one of us', since we 'stick with the Bible' or at least interpretations somewhere near the Bible.

But then the charismatics come along, to a large degree looking a whole lot like the church at Corinth. That's when we start helping the good apostle Paul out, him not being fully aware of 'the charismatics'.  Did he 'know' exactly what were they prophesying?   And that they probably didn't have access to NA27 (well, at least NA26 for goodness sakes).

Now, as for the more recent book 'Biblical Techniques in Demon Extraction: Geological Implications of Spittle and Soil', I completely agree would not belong on Logos at all.


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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 6:52 AM

As a Charismatic christian I would like to see this book in Logos. I may disagree with his opinions,

I like to occasionally read books by chrIstians who have a different theological perspective. Who wants to live in narrow  theological bubble reading only books that agree with your own theological positions. (Some christians need to get out more!)

I think it would do charismatics and pentecostals good engage with his book.

Doctrinal purity is not the test of being a disciple of Christ (The Pharisees thought that and they were wrong!).

Rather Jesus said:

John 13: 34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.  By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

How many books has John McArthur written on church unity (loving other christians)?

We unite on Jesus, The work of the cross, the Gospel.

While you wait for McArthur's book to appear in Logos you may want to consider D A Carsons " Showing the Spirit" A commentary on 1 Corinthians 12-14.

Carson in my opinion is a far superior biblical evangelical scholar than McArthur.

Carsons commentary will challenge both ceasationist and charismatic alike!

Showing the Spirit is available in Logos

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P A | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 6:59 AM

 

The Link

D A CARSON       SHOWING THE SPIRIT

http://www.logos.com/product/6875/showing-the-spirit-a-theological-exposition-of-1-corinthians-12-14

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Shows up in the commenatry passage list (like other commentaries) when you do a search.

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 7:32 AM

1) I'm not a MacArthur fan, but this is an excellent book. Not a Carson fan either by the way. BTW, you obviously know little about what MacArthur teaches.

2) Doctrine simply means teaching, so loving other believers is doctrinal as well. The same Jesus said when the Holy Spirit came He would guide us into ALL truth and speaks over and over again about how truth divides as well. We are to watch our lives and doctrine closely and in 1 Peter we are told that judgment begins in the house of God. Dealing with doctrinal or moral purity shows our love for Christ and the brethren. I am thankful for the many admonitions I have received over the years. Read Proverbs as well.

3) My biggest gripe with Logos in these forums is that we aren't allowed to discuss doctrine or biblical texts. they own these forums and can do what they want with them. I am still thankful for them and don't want to break their rules, except where they differ with what God says... so...

4) I still would like this book to be in Logos format.

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 4:31 PM

Michael Lyman:

1) I'm not a MacArthur fan, but this is an excellent book. Not a Carson fan either by the way. BTW, you obviously know little about what MacArthur teaches.

It's been decades since I read it, as well as its predecessor, The Charismatics, but I recall from reading it more than one instance of MacArthur creating straw men by using quotes out of context, though I can't remember the specifics. Anyway, I felt that detracted from the book's usefulness and indicated his bias. IIRC, the MacArthur Study Bible repeats Spiros Zodhiates' questionable and wrong distinction between "real tongues" and "babbling'" based on whether the Greek text uses the singular or the plural, so I'm not sure MacArthur can be objective re: this topic.

On the other hand, there is a lot to criticize re: the current Charismatic, Prophetic, New Apostolic Reformation, etc., movements.

 

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 5:23 PM

Since I, as a general rule, no longer purchase paper books, I have been waiting for this book to be in either Kindle or Logos format for some time. Apparently, it's one of those books that the publishers doesn't believe will be profitable for the digitizing effort. Maybe the pre--press format they have is not readily-convertible.

John MacArthur does have the series of 13 sermons on which this work was based available in text and MP3 on the gty.org website.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2013 6:00 PM

P A:
Doctrinal purity is not the test of being a disciple of Christ (The Pharisees thought that and they were wrong!).

Are you sure about that? Weren't the Pharisees chastised mostly for getting doctrine wrong ("have you not read?"; "are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?") and for adding to the Law? Probably a poor analogy for what you are attempting to prove.

"In the future, everyone will be called a Pharisee for 15 minutes."

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