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Larry Sterling Jr. | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:33 PM

Does Logos offer the academic discount for L5 upgrades?

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:47 PM

No discounts with this offer. It's probably the cheapest it'll be.

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:49 PM

As far as I know, yes--a way to check is to see what the upgrade price is with you signed in (assuming you are an academic user)... then sign out (or use a different Web browser where you're not signed in) to see what the non-academic price is. If you're an academic user, the discount automatically shows on any product.

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:54 PM

Marcus has more forum posts than I do. I'll defer to him. :)

And, now that I think about it, you couldn't sign out and see an upgrade price, since then it wouldn't be an "upgrade" price (since it would think you didn't own anything if you signed out).

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Larry Sterling Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:55 PM

Thanks for your help!

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2013 7:59 PM

The discount for the packages that you see if you sign in and out will be based on the library that you already have. I.e l4. It'll be a custom upgrade but there's no academic discount because this is the initial offering for all...I have the a discount but it does not apply this package unfortunately. Hope that helps. Happy shopping. :-) 

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Daniel Luke Gonzalez | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 11 2013 3:40 PM

Well, when it comes to Logos 5, there is a special package that I guess you could say is on academic discount. You have to call in and ask about the "Biblical Languages" Package. It's the one I got and I am very happy with it, plus, I got it a lot cheaper than silver and paid an extra $15 to get all of the databases. Less than silver, but all the databases like gold. I would call it an academic discount. Big Smile

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 5:50 AM

No matter what "the market" suggests, I think dropping this program from the Website was a mistake. (We all make them.) Especially since Logos is actually better for biblical languages than it often receives credit for. For Septuagint word studies, for example, I find Logos to be perhaps the most intuitive and quickest to use of the Bible softwares I've used.

Daniel, out of curiosity, can you say what's in the Biblical Languages package? And (if you're comfortable sharing) can you say what the price range for it is? At least users could find out via the forum, even if it's not on the Website and they have to call to find out...

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 6:45 AM

 

Hello Abram, 

Here's what is reported to be in Logos5 Biblical Languages package:

Ryan Collman:

Here is what comes with the BL Package... 

A Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament

A Grammar of Biblical Hebrew, rev. ed. (Paul Joüon, Takamitsu Muraoka)

A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament

A Harmony of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles (Crockett)

A Harmony of the Gospels (Robertson)

A Harmony of the Synoptic Gospels

A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament

A Textual Guide to the Greek New Testament

American Standard Version

An Introduction to Aramaic

An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax

An Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin

Apocryphal New Testament

Apostolic Fathers in English

Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear

Aramaic Papyri of the Fifth Century BC

Beginning Biblical Hebrew

BHS Text 

Bible Analysis Addin

Bible Illustrations

Bible Puzzles Addin

Bible Sense Lexicon

Bible Tools Addin

BiblePlaces.com Image Library

Biblical Hebrew for Beginners

Biblical Languages Addin

Biblical People

Biblical People Addin

Biblical PlacesBiblical Things

BK Events

Book of Common Prayer (1979) Daily Office

LectionaryBook of Common Prayer (1979) Sunday Lectionary

Brenton LXX (English)

Brenton LXX (Greek)

Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew/Lexicon

Building Your Biblical Hebrew Vocabulary

Building Your New Testament Greek Vocabulary

Cascadia Syntax Graphs of the New Testament: SBLGNT Edition

Catholic Lectionary

Chapman’s New Testament-Greek Notebook

Christian Worship One Year Lectionary

Christian Worship Three Year Lectionary (with Supplemental Lectionary)

Clausal Outlines of the Greek New Testament: SBL Edition

Clause Search

Clementine Vulgate

Compare Parallel Bible Versions Addin

Complete Works of Josephus

Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th Edition

Davidson’s Introductory Hebrew Grammar

Diagrammatical Analysis

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Aramaic OT)

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Greek NT)

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (Hebrew OT)Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament Douay-Rheims Bible

Elzevir Textus Receptus (1624) with Morphology

English Standard Version

ESV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear of the New Testament

ESV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear of the Old Testament

Eusebian Canons (Eusebius)

Figures of Speech Used in the Bible (Bullinger)

Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology

Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research

Graphical Query Editor Addin

Greek Audio New Testament

Greek New Testament Insert

Greek Pronunciation Addin with Erasmian & Modern Data Sets

Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domains L-N

Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint

Harmony of the Gospels

HarperCollins Bible Dictionary

Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures (Gesenius) 39.95Hebrew Bible Insert

Hebrew Grammar (Gesenius)

Hebrew Syntax

Holman Christian Standard Bible

Idioms of the Greek New Testament, Second Edition

Images from A Biblical and Theological Dictionary

Images from A Dictionary of the Bible

Images from A Standard Bible Dictionary

Images from An Illustrated History of the Holy Bible

Images from Helps to the Study of the Bible

Images from Illustrations of the Bible from the Monuments of Egypt

Images from The Bible Hand-Book

Images from The Illustrated Bible Treasury

Images from The People’s Bible Encyclopedia

Images from The Temple Bible Dictionary

Images of the Holy Lands

Introduction to Biblical Greek Collection

Jackson Jude – 2 Peter (Jackson)

Josephus in Greek: Niese Critical Edition with Apparatus

Kairos: A Beginning Greek Grammar & Workbook

Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament

King James Version

King James Version Apocrypha

KJV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

KJV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Learning Biblical Hebrew: A New Approach Using Discourse Analysis

Learning New Testament Greek Now and Then

LEB English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

LEB English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Lectionary Addin

Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament

Lexham Analytical Lexicon of the Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition

Lexham Apostolic Fathers Reverse Interlinear

Lexham Bible Dictionary

Lexham English Bible

Lexham English Septuagint

Lexham Greek-English Interlinear New Testament: SBL Edition

Lexham Greek-English Interlinear Septuagint: H.B. Swete Edition (including alt texts)

Lexham Hebrew Bible with Morphology

Lexham Hebrew Septuagint Reverse interlinear: H.B. Swete Edition

Lexham Hebrew-English Interlinear Bible

Lexham Interlinear Septuagint: Rahfs

Lexham LXX / MT Parallel Alignment (reverse interlinear (for BWS)

Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon

Light from the Ancient East

Linguistic Analysis of Biblical Hebrew

LLS Addin

Logos Bible Images

Logos Bible Photos

Logos Bible Software Addin

Logos Bible Software Infographics

Logos Bible Software Maps

Logos Deluxe Map Set

Lutheran Service Book Historic (One Year) Lectionary

Lutheran Service Book Three Year Lectionary

Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition

Merriam-Webster Collegiate Thesaurus

More Light on the Path: Daily Scripture Readings in Hebrew and Greek

NASB95 English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NASB95 English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

Nestle-Aland 28th Edition Greek New Testament

New American Standard Bible – 1995 Update

New Century Version

New King James Version

New Living Translation

New Revised Standard Version

New Testament Apocrypha

New Testament Synonyms (Trench)

NIV 2011 English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NIV 2011 English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NKJV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NKJV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NLT English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NRSV English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

NRSV English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

NT Genre Coding

NT Semantic Domain Coding

Nunn’s Syntax, Elements, and Key to the Elements of New Testament Greek

Old Testament Allusions

Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology

Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament (HCSB)

Original Languages Addin

OT Genre Coding

Pastoral Epistles (Brannan)

Personal Bible Study Tools Addin

Personal Book Builder Reader Key

Phrase Concordance

Rahlf’s Septuagint w/Logos Morphology

Records of the Life of Jesus

Referent Data

Remote Library Search Addin

Reported Speech

Revised Common Lectionary

Revised Common Lectionary Daily Readings

Revised Standard Version

Richter Hebrew Morphology

SBL/Logos Greek New Testament

Sentence Diagramming Addin

Septuagint Variants with Logos Morphology

Septuagint Variants with Logos Morphology Reverse Interlinear

Stephen’s Textus Receptus (1550) with Morphology

Student’s Guide to the Textual Criticism of the Bible

Swete LXX with Morphology (text, alt text, app, alt text app)

Synopsis of the Four Gospels (Aland)

Synopsis of the Old Testament (Jackson)

Syntax of the Hebrew Language of the Old Testament

Syntax of the Moods and Tenses in NT Greek

Syntax Tools Addin

Tanakh (JPS)

Tanakh (old)

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

The Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text of the Hebrew Bible

The Andersen-Forbes Analyzed Text of the Hebrew Bible: A Systematic Glossary

The Andersen-Forbes Phrase Marker Analysis of the Hebrew Bible

The Animals Mentioned in the Bible

The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament in English

The Apostolic Fathers Greek-English Interlinear

The Apostolic Fathers, with an English Translation

The Apostolic Fathers: Revised Texts with Short Introductions and English Translations

The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition Vol. I: 1Q1-4Q273 – Vol. II: 4Q274-11Q31

The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with Morphology) (Logos)

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament Glossary

The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament: Sentence Analysis

The NET Bible

The New Testament in Greek (Scrivener 1881)

The New Testament in Greek (Westcott and Hort)

The New Testament in the Original Greek: Byzantine Textform

The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament

The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament Glossary 0The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament: Clause Analysis

The Parallel Aligned Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Texts of Jewish Scripture

The Plants of the Bible

The Targums from the files of the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon Project

The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts

The Works of Philo: Greek Text with Morphology

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Unabridged

Theological Lexicon of the New Testament (3 vols.)

Theological Lexicon of the Old Testament (3 vols.)

Tischendorf Apparatus

Treasury of Scripture Knowledge

Understanding BHS

United Methodist Revised Common Lectionary

Universal Timeline

WIVU Hebrew Morphology

Works of Philo

 

 

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 7:15 AM

Thanks, BK. It's funny, because now with the inclusion of Joüon/Muraoka and Waltke for Hebrew grammars (which I don't think this package included before), it's even more potentially competitive with all that BibleWorks offers... Logos really must not be nearly as interested in this potential target audience.

Does anyone have any sense of how much the package costs?

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 8:07 AM

Abram K-J:
he inclusion of Joüon/Muraoka and Waltke for Hebrew grammars (which I don't think this package included before),

This, is true.

Before, moving to Logos5 my basepackage was Logos4 Original languages and it did not come with the two above mentioned Hebrew Grammars. I do not understand why Logos doesn't simple offer this package via the website for those interested it. I think they are turning away potential customers. I know, I would never have spent any money on a LogosBase package if it weren't for Logos4 Original Languages and I am not alone in feeling this way.  

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 8:58 PM

BKMitchell:
I do not understand why Logos doesn't simple offer this package via the website for those interested it. I think they are turning away potential customers. I know, I would never have spent any money on a LogosBase package if it weren't for Logos4 Original Languages and I am not alone in feeling this way.  

On 22 Nov 2012, Bob Pritchett's reply => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60280/430475.aspx#430475 included:

Bob Pritchett:

Original Languages simply sold very few units, and it didn't fit the "each package is a super-set of the previous package" hierarchy. We felt it introduced more confusion than clarity in purchase process / comparison charts. (And I think we made this decision before we established the dynamic pricing engine.) As you've pointed out, we do have a new "Biblical Languages" package which we're offering via academic sales, which is where almost all Original Languages sales happened.

 

We may offer it via the web site in the future; I expect we may even have other specialized collections. But whatever they are, you can be sure we aren't pushing a particular theological position; we're just trying to meet the market needs.

Personally wish Logos would add "Biblical Languages" package information to the Academic page => http://www.logos.com/about/academic

Keep Smiling Smile

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Harry Hahne | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2013 1:50 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
wish Logos would add "Biblical Languages" package information to the Academic page

I would like to see BLL show up on the comparison page, at least for registered academic users. There does not appear to be any way to order it online and there is no way to compare BLL resource to other base collections to see if this is the right choice for a person.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
do not understand why Logos doesn't simple offer this package via the website for those interested it. I think they are turning away potential customers.

Perhaps there were not many sales, but I doubt it would take away from sales of other collections. For many pastors this might be the right way to get many of the essential Greek and Hebrew reference books. I would like to see it listed for any who might want it.

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2013 4:51 PM

Agreed, Harry and Keep Smiling. I hate to quibble (especially with Bob not--presumably--present on this thread), but to say

"But whatever they are, you can be sure we aren't pushing a particular theological position; we're just trying to meet the market needs."

does sound to me like a particular theological position, at least insofar as theology and economics intersect. Not a partisan one, and heaven knows an online forum is a difficult place to do/discuss theology, but doesn't our theology come to bear in how we interact with "the market" and the economy? What drives what and why? Could Logos decide--from a values standpoint--that making Biblical Languages packages and options available to pastors, academicians, etc. is a priority, market forces notwithstanding?

It's a free market--Logos can choose what they think best, and Bob has better insight into these sorts of things than probably any of us who write in these forums. But trying to meet "the market needs" is not a "just trying to" kind of position--it's core values-driven at the least and potentially theological, too.

And maybe that is best for Logos. Perhaps they are being driven by a theology of good stewardship, and for them to not advertise a low-selling package is an issue of being a good steward with their resources. If that's the case, I disagree, but can respect their decision. However, as others have pointed out, that does run the risk of giving over the biblical languages portion of the market to other Bible software companies.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2013 7:51 PM

Harry Hahne:

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
wish Logos would add "Biblical Languages" package information to the Academic page

I would like to see BLL show up on the comparison page, at least for registered academic users. There does not appear to be any way to order it online and there is no way to compare BLL resource to other base collections to see if this is the right choice for a person.

Thread => Chart of Logos 4 & Logos 5 Packages includes a Google Doc spreadsheet link =>  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhAl790TopkhdHNsTnRLY1A2RU9OY3pDNHdqTHVpQ3c that has a Merged (Logos) tab, which is missing Logos 5 features for Biblical Languages.

The Blog article => http://blog.logos.com/2012/11/5-ways-to-move-to-logos-5/ has a footnote for Original Language that refers to Academic Program.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Abram K-J | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 16 2013 2:22 PM

Got an answer on pricing for the Biblical Languages package:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/60280/452708.aspx#452708

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