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Rev. Kelly Todd | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 7 2013 8:59 PM

Doesn’t it seem that maybe there should be a change in the forum system?  We have been getting more and more spam over the past several weeks… it sometimes takes days to get rid of the offender… Yahoo groups is much safer and much more friendly than what we have here.  I have also seen an increase in the spam that I am getting from my email address associated with Logos forums... it really is time to put an end to this and make it secure. thanks guys, I hate to make such a big deal about it, but we did not sign up for the forum to get spammed... at least I didn't.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 7 2013 10:26 PM

Rev. Kelly Todd:
it really is time to put an end to this

Yes Yes Yes

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William Gabriel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:08 AM

Yes, and I hope Logos realizes how much value these forums add to their software. They have been a tremendous help to me, and no doubt many others, and it would be a shame to "lose" them.

I know a lot of the spam posts are deleted after they're identified, but as someone who reads primarily through rss, the spam is there to stay; it does not leave the feed and just clutters the list of post titles.

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:13 AM

I do hope that Logos considers some of the options that have been mentioned here:

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/62065.aspx

Armin

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 1:59 PM

Armin:

I do hope that Logos considers some of the options that have been mentioned here:

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/62065.aspx

Armin

I am fast coming to the opinion that Logos must resent everyone who reports or complains about SPAM. Right now we have spam on the forums that has been reported. There are also other threads that are being answered by Logos staff while the spam is being ignored. The spammers don't wait until weekends or after-hours any more. They post spam in the morning and now in the middle of the business hours of Bellinham without any action. What is the use any more to report it?

 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 2:44 PM

Yes, but a biig THANK YOU to NB.Mick who seems to start his life much earlier than us Norte Americanos.

He usually has the forum all swept up and nice and neat before I get my coffee ready each morning.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 2:49 PM

DMB:
a biig THANK YOU to NB.Mick who seems to start his life much earlier than us Norte Americanos.

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John Kaess | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 2:58 PM

We don't need to change forum software or go to yahoo, they just need to require that a "captcha" be completed as part of the process of getting access to the forums.  Problem solved, spam goes away.  And yes, i'm getting pretty frustrated with it.  Often when i check the forum half the posts are spam.

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Glenn F | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 4:54 PM

But I hate those Captcha things. It takes me 5 to 10 tries to get ir right! Lol. No, I am not THAT old.

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John Kaess | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:01 PM

Glenn F:

But I hate those Captcha things. It takes me 5 to 10 tries to get ir right! Lol. No, I am not THAT old.

You only have to do it once.  And it stops the spam.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:05 PM

Glenn F:

But I hate those Captcha things. It takes me 5 to 10 tries to get ir right! Lol. No, I am not THAT old.

But you're already a trusted member of the forums; you wouldn't have to go through it. They should just institute it for new accounts from now on.

However actually, most of the spam being posted lately is probably being done by humans not bots (note how they often actually try to make some comment that sounds like they are responding to the thread), so they'd be able to solve the CAPTCHAs.

A better solution would be to require moderation for any user with a single-digit post-count posting anything that contains links to non-Logos websites. Once someone has been approved by a moderator (which should take less than a day), then they'd be a whitelisted forum member and not have to jump through any further hoops.

Here's an interesting article I just found on how this underground world of spamming works (see some of the articles it links to as well):

http://www.allspammedup.com/2008/11/how-spammers-get-paid/

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:07 PM

John Kaess:

Glenn F:

But I hate those Captcha things. It takes me 5 to 10 tries to get ir right! Lol. No, I am not THAT old.

You only have to do it once.  And it stops the spam.

why should it? The spammers here are human beings and even if they were scripts, someone sets them up and if the captcha was only for address validation, this could easily be solved by a script showing the captchas to its maker.

Moderation of posts with links (unless coming from whitelisted users) would probably help, though.

 

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 5:24 PM

I'm always amazed at the level of entitlement of a few people. 

Some folks seem to think the folks at Logos in charge of these forums are idiots, and have never considered any solutions to the spam problem, or don't realize it is present. They think that because they signed up for this forum, for which they paid nothing and provide no support, they have a right a a spam-free world here.

They assume things like captchas and moderation and all those other tricks just never crossed the feeble minds of those in charge of the forums, and if only they'd listen to the sage advice of the forum members, all the spam would go away.

Well, I have a brilliant idea. How about cutting them some slack, and assume they are working on it, and considering all these options and discarding the ones that are a bigger pain than they are worth, and trying stuff we don't even know about?  And some of them are doing all this at the cost of time away from their families, so we few, we entitled few, who aren't smart enough not to click on the Viagra posts, won't be bothered.  How about a few words of appreciation instead of all the whining? How about volunteering to scan the forums and report the spam posts, instead of griping at others about them?

C'mon, man!!

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Rev. Kelly Todd | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 7:11 PM

Ah Doc... no one said that anyone clicked on the links... it is just very annoying to have it come across the forum, and it truly does not have to.  many years ago we had a forum for logos that did not allow spam, very similar to yahoo groups which also do work.  I moderate several yahoo groups and I don't have spam on my groups and there are more than 4,000 people on my groups.  In addition, when these spammers get your address, they target you directly... I don't know how they are doing it, but they are getting our addresses in some way as our spam is increasing as well.  so, please just take it easy, and let the logos people hear that we are not thrilled with this and lets see what they come up with.  And BTW, you suggest that scan the forums and report the spam... we have done that, and it keeps coming.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 7:21 PM

FYI, everyone. Chill out. I emailed Bob Pritchett about the problem. He was somewhat aware of it, but had been rather busy lately and had not been spending much time on the forums and hadn't seen how bad it had become, so he thanked me for reporting it, and they are going to work on addressing it now that Logos 5 is out the door. However it will take some time as they have a new developer to come up to speed on the forum software. So be patient.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 7:58 PM

Rev. Kelly Todd:
I moderate several yahoo groups

Kelly, if you moderate Yahoo groups, then you probably know how annoying it is when a newbie comes into your group and one of his or her first posts is words to the effect of, "Doesn’t it seem that maybe there should be a change in the forum system?" That was your first sentence and you didn't have 10 posts yet.

The good folks at Logos KNOW the spam is annoying, and they KNOW it needs work.  They don't need to hear it from  you or me.

And if you moderate Yahoo groups, you also know that even with new members moderated, if a Trojan gets ahold of someone's address book, and they are already a member, you still get spam on the group.  I own the largest handloading list on the web, with over 2000 members.  Weekly, I have to re-moderate some member's account because they clicked on something they shouldn't have and the trojan is sending emails to the group.  There's no way to stop it without moderating everyone, and that's not gonna happen.  It just takes work by the listowner and moderators.  And the forums here are a very different animal than a Yahoo group; yet Logos folks do a pretty decent job of cleaning up messes.

Nobody wants the spam.  But most of us don't need whiny threads about it either.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 8:51 PM

Rosie Perera:
they have a new developer to come up to speed on the forum software

Did you get an impression of whether this new developer was in addition to David or instead of David? 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 8:51 PM

Perhaps this is an appropriate time to share this:

Don't we all just love getting into arguments with strangers on these forums? It's so fun and it is such an enhancement to our relationship with God! Wink

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 9:12 PM

"I use it to look at pictures of cats and get in arguments with strangers."

Big Smile     Thanks Rosie. Don'tcha know, it is all about perspective?

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 8 2013 9:35 PM

Rosie Perera:
A better solution would be to require moderation for any user with a single-digit post-count posting anything that contains links to non-Logos websites. Once someone has been approved by a moderator (which should take less than a day), then they'd be a whitelisted forum member and not have to jump through any further hoops.

I agree. This is what I suggested in the other thread:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/62065/438940.aspx#438940

Anybody who bought something from Logos (except freebies) can immediately be whitelisted. This way the forums will hopefully stay free of spam and the number of people getting annoyed by a delay of their postings will be minimal.

Armin

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