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EmileB | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2013 2:46 AM

I debated alot about whether to write this and what to include. I eventually decided that I should post something as a heads up to encourage folks to study a bit before purchasing these materials.

I have a bunch of prepubs coming online all at once (I heard that Logos has hired a number of folks to speed up pre-pub production. It seems to be working!!). I'll need to delete a number of them due to the cost. As part of the process, I started looking much more closely into the works on my list.

One of those was the Edward Andrews Collection. Upon doing some deeper research, I was a bit surprised that Logos is offering this set. Maybe I shouldn't be, but it seems like a bit of a departure for them. I won't go into the details here, but Logos users might want to look into the author's website, qualifications, etc. But I am wondering what, if any, criteria Logos uses for selecting titles to be included for publication. I hope this isn't a trend.

 

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ChelseaFC | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 4:33 AM

Yes, the cartoon is cheesy but it sounds like the guy is making a defense for the Christian faith, am I missing something?

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 5:17 AM

On 6 Jul 2011, Bob Pritchett (CEO) posted =>  What kind of books does Logos publish?

Thankful for Logos offering a wide range of resources to study and ponder.

Andrews Collection link => http://www.logos.com/product/24062/edward-d-andrews-collection

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EmileB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 7:42 AM

My concerns are not theological... they have to do more with scholarship. Basically, the works are self-published and self-promoted over a very short period of time by a student who really is not a specialist in the areas that he is writing about (for instance, he is not a paleographer). There are no endorsements of his work by any scholars or professors (just three or four review comments on Amazon by those who are apparently fellow students and friends of his). The material in general has the appearance to me of a basic reworking of his class notes. I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily good or bad. In fact, the material might prove useful to his stated target audience. It just seems like a different direction for Logos to produce works that are self-published and self-promoted without academic endorsement or credentials. It's not a general trend that I would like to see, because I think it in general devalues the overall content of the Logos library. But that is merely my opinion. The level of scholarship and writing IMO, also does not seem particularly high... but again, much of that might be a personal perception.

I do have other concerns about the work (not theological) and the website overall, and these more than anything prompted me to cancel my order. None of them is necessarily a big deal, but it just bothers me a bit and raises issues in my own mind about credibility (has nothing to do with the cartoon). I haven't shared those issues specifically because I don't really feel that it would be fair to the author to do so in a public forum. But I do think that a careful look at the website might raise similar questions amongst discerning visitors. Overall, I felt that the site contents were rather misleading in a number of ways, and that fact, plus the use of certain material and how it was presented, made me feel uncomfortable.

Maybe I should not have raised the issue. But I wanted to raise the question about the quality of the resources that are being selected, and express my concern. But in no way do I want to disparage the author's intentions, or the general content of his material.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 7:59 AM

Well, I hope to ge published by Logos within 13 years. But I haven't started writing yet and won't for many years still. I don't care much about royalties, a few dimes a book would be enough and I think the customer price should be set low:

EmileB:
It just seems like a different direction for Logos to produce works that are self-published and self-promoted without academic endorsement or credentials. It's not a general trend that I would like to see,

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 1:37 PM

EmileB:
But I wanted to raise the question about the quality of the resources that are being selected, and express my concern

I share your concerns in general although I've not looked at this particular resource/website. However, from Amazon reviews I have learned that many readers aren't concerned much with quality. They merely wish to read materials that confirm what they already believe. This translates into market share. I cope by mentally stamping them with a barf-o-lator extraordinaire, Bill the Cat.

Edit: I looked up the credentials of Edwards and see that he fits well into the Logos mix. So, no, I don't see the resources as a cause for concern,

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 2:18 PM

As far as Logos putting out "too many" Pre-Pubs "I deisre' out at once, I agree. Some months are like this ...

 I have suggested to them that they give a 90-day grace period so that when the Pre-Pub becomes available and the customer has already contracted ...., that they have an option to set the billing and download date as far as 90 days from the release date, or still completely cancel ....  If the customer does nothing it will be billed on the day of the release, but if they have budgetary constraints that month they can push it forward a little and still get a great deal on a great book(s). This is beneficial to Logos and the customer.

This allows the customer to purchase previous Pre-Pubs and it allows Logos to make another sale, instead of a complete cancellation.

Unfortunately, though we have a great Board that allows purchases of Logos products, if we do not spend it, we lose it. So, on off months, when Logos is not offering something I desire, I presently spend elsewhere ... when I could be purchasing previous Pre-Pubs ... (and would of course consider purchasing even more Pre-Pubs given the above option).


Right now because of the "uncertain" release dates (i.e the Revelation series cancelled for a month ...), no one can plan a "real" Logos Budget for Pre-Pubs. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 2:25 PM

5 Solas:
Unfortunately, though we have a great Board that allows purchases of Logos products, if we do not spend it, we lose it. So, on off months, when Logos is not offering something I desire, I presently spend elsewhere ... when I could be purchasing previous Pre-Pubs ... (and would of course consider purchasing even more Pre-Pubs given the above option).

Wonder if Board would allow purchasing of Logos gift certificate(s) ? that could be used for upcoming pre-publication(s) OR sale item(s)

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 3:22 PM

Unfortunately, not. I was told once they are labeled as such, they are "gifts" and not tax deductible resources. 

 

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5 Solas:
Unfortunately, though we have a great Board that allows purchases of Logos products, if we do not spend it, we lose it. So, on off months, when Logos is not offering something I desire, I presently spend elsewhere ... when I could be purchasing previous Pre-Pubs ... (and would of course consider purchasing even more Pre-Pubs given the above option).

Wonder if Board would allow purchasing of Logos gift certificate(s) ? that could be used for upcoming pre-publication(s) OR sale item(s)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 4:59 PM

5 Solas:
Unfortunately, though we have a great Board that allows purchases of Logos products, if we do not spend it, we lose it. So, on off months, when Logos is not offering something I desire, I presently spend elsewhere ... when I could be purchasing previous Pre-Pubs ... (and would of course consider purchasing even more Pre-Pubs given the above option).

Wonder about talking with Logos Sales about purchasing a resource for the same price as an upcoming pre-publication, which would be returned/exchanged when pre-publication ships ? (essentially pre-pay for a pre-publication, which includes "free" resource preview while waiting for pre-publication to ship so preview resource is relocked when pre-publication resource is unlocked)

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 6:14 PM

Ethically I really would not feel comfortable doing that. I would rather Logos develop a policy - something like above - that way there is no appearance of any type of impropriety.  Though I know no impropriety was meant by you in your solution - far from it, you are attempting to help - I do not wish another person to in anyway question the financial practices of the ministry. I am afraid some people may not understand the practice ...

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5 Solas:
Unfortunately, though we have a great Board that allows purchases of Logos products, if we do not spend it, we lose it. So, on off months, when Logos is not offering something I desire, I presently spend elsewhere ... when I could be purchasing previous Pre-Pubs ... (and would of course consider purchasing even more Pre-Pubs given the above option).

Wonder about talking with Logos Sales about purchasing a resource for the same price as an upcoming pre-publication, which would be returned/exchanged when pre-publication ships ? (essentially pre-pay for a pre-publication, which includes "free" resource preview while waiting for pre-publication to ship so preview resource is relocked when pre-publication resource is unlocked)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 12 2013 8:39 PM

5 Solas:
I would rather Logos develop a policy

Posted web site suggestion => Suggestion: Pre-Publication Pre-Pay option, possibly with free preview

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 13 2013 3:04 AM

KS4J,

 

Many thanks. I had already contacted CS, but posting is even better.

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