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Brian W. Davidson | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 8 2009 12:21 PM

I cannot figure out why my Hebrew lemma searches are not working.

I right click on a work in BHS SESB, click lemma, search this resource and I get nothing.

Any thoughts?

Brian Davidson

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 12:43 PM

I know that a SESB Syntax search will not work as Logos have not converted the database to L4 as yet. But a search of the Hebrew Bible resource as you suggest should work.  A number of us are having a problem with a  Morph Search of BHS 4.2 but "Search this resource" works! What is the version of the SESB bible?

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Brian W. Davidson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 12:53 PM

Dave,

It is BHS SESB 2.0. This is the latest version of BHS SESB. Though it says 2.0 it is from the SESB 3.0 collection (I have upgraded). The problem is not BHS SESB specific. I get the same results with the Westminster BHS.

Since I first posted I have successfully ran a "search this resource" on a couple verbs, but other still give me nothing. For example, "search this resource" with  בֹּהוּ in Gen. 1:2 gives me nothing; same thing with תֹּהוּ. On the other hand I get three results for רחף

Am I missing something?

thanks

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:06 PM

My success rate in BHS 4.2 is the same as yours. We really need to hear from Logos.

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Stuart | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:33 PM

BrianWayneDavidson:
For example, "search this resource" with  בֹּהוּ in Gen. 1:2 gives me nothing; same thing with תֹּהוּ. On the other hand I get three results for רחף

The issue is not the resource, but the lemma itself.  To my knowledge, Gen 1:2 is the only place where these two words are used in the Hebrew Bible (I also looked it up in the Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon).  I could be wrong, but I think that is what is going on here.

I hope this helps.

Stuart.

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:34 PM

BrianWayneDavidson:
Since I first posted I have successfully ran a "search this resource" on a couple verbs, but other still give me nothing. For example, "search this resource" with  בֹּהוּ in Gen. 1:2 gives me nothing

This is a problem....

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:34 PM

Stuart:
The issue is not the resource, but the lemma itself.  To my knowledge, Gen 1:2 is the only place where these two words are used in the Hebrew Bible (I also looked it up in the Concise Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon).  I could be wrong, but I think that is what is going on here.

Should we not then get 1 hit instead of zero?

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Stuart | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:37 PM

Oops... my bad.  תוֹהוּ is used elsewhere... perhaps there is a problem which I just can't figure out.

Sorry if I was less than helpful.

Stuart.

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Stuart | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 1:39 PM

Very true.  Please excuse my tired mind....

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 8 2009 2:03 PM

Stuart:
Very true.  Please excuse my tired mind....

Not a problem. Sometimes even the wrong answers can get one thinking about the correct one...

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Brian W. Davidson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 12:30 PM

This issue continues to be a problem for me as I read and study. Im simply trying to right click and "search this resource" for a lemma and it is not working (0 results).

If anyone from logos is listening, a comment would be nice.

Thanks to all who commented on this thread for taking the time to think about this issue with me.

Brian

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Chris Elford | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 12:47 PM

BrianWayneDavidson:

This issue continues to be a problem for me as I read and study. Im simply trying to right click and "search this resource" for a lemma and it is not working (0 results).

If anyone from logos is listening, a comment would be nice.

Thanks to all who commented on this thread for taking the time to think about this issue with me.

Brian

I don't see this issue on the Bug Report on the wiki. That is where people in the forums have asked the Logos people to look and respond. One of you, I don't have SESB so can't, should post it there. http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Bugs

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Chris Elford | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 1:05 PM

I've tried a few searches in BHS with Westminster 3.5 and 4.2 and get spotty results. I'm going to post as a Bug for those resources.

Here's a screenshot of the results of 4 right click, select lemma, select "search this resource":

Chris

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Brian W. Davidson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 9 2009 6:11 PM

Chris,

I have tried to figure out how to post a bug on the wiki, but I am having no success. I do not think this bug is resource specific. I have had the same problems in BHS SESB, and all the Westminsters.

 

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Adam Couturier | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 2:28 AM

I have a zero % success rate when I actually type a lemma in Hebrew.  I don't know why; however, if I phonetically spell the lemma, I can get results.  This has been a frustration, but I hope that works in the mean time for you.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 2:42 AM

BrianWayneDavidson:

Chris,

I have tried to figure out how to post a bug on the wiki, but I am having no success. I do not think this bug is resource specific. I have had the same problems in BHS SESB, and all the Westminsters.

Brian, we won't impose this on you! Keep reporting problems and we'll handle the wiki bug report!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 3:08 AM

I've just done a lemma search on all the Hebrew words in Genesis 1:2 by right click on the word, selecting lemma and choosing search this resource. I'd obviously expect at least one hit from every word. This are the ones that don't work:

  • תֹּהוּ
  • בֹּהוּ
  • חֹשֶׁכְ
  • פָּנֶה
  • תְּהֹום

That's a reasonable percentage that don't work. Interestingly they are all from the middle of the verse, the words at the beginning and end work fine. This is unquestionably a bug - either in the resource or in the program.

As I have two indistinguishable SESB 2.0 Version I should add that this is BHSSESB.lbxlls

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 4:02 AM

Mark Barnes:
As I have two indistinguishable SESB 2.0 Version I should add that this is BHSSESB.lbxlls

 

Mark, they should be distinguishable. If you open the information pane when in the resource at the bottom you can see that one is from 2006 (and has errors) and one is from 2009. Delete the former...

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 4:10 AM

Thanks Damian. I've re-run the test in the 2009 edition, with the same results.

Even more interesting is that I get exactly the same results with BHS 4.2 - this demonstrates a serious bug with Logos4. We need to get Rick or Bradley to take a look at this thread. Can someone test this in the non-beta version of Logos?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 4:20 AM

Mark Barnes:
We need to get Rick or Bradley to take a look at this thread.

Mark,

That's been done via the wiki bug report that Chris submitted at http://wiki.logos.com/Bug$3a_BHS_%E2%80%93_Westminster_3.5_$26_4.2_Lemma_Searches Feel free to add/clarify.

Mark Barnes:
Can someone test this in the non-beta version of Logos?

My success rate with BHS 4.2 in SR-7 parallels yours!

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