Thanks Logos. I promise not to let you down. Since it is the Christmas season it is only right and proper that I "open" (buy) each gift!
For some reason my "little smiley faces" won't show up!
I would have eagerly jumped at the mug if it were not for the shipping (to Canada). I know it is nothing to do with Logos, but still frustrating.
(Logos 4 DVD was $17 to ship - I should have just stuck with the downloads!)
Someone else has been having that problem too. Must be a permissions issue in the forum.
I'm hoping that $300 Word Biblical Commentary deal finds its way into the 12 Days of Logos special.
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!! We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download.
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!!
We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download.
They were going to but there is a bug in the mug that causes L4 to reindex.
Actually, I was relieved to see today's choice, and the high shipping cost to Europe. It removed the temptation, sort of along the lines of the "way out" in 1 Cor 10.13.
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!! We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download. They were going to but there is a bug in the mug that causes L4 to reindex.
The reindex algorithm uses Brownian motion ? [grin, duck, and run]
(Actually, I shouldn't laugh: indexing all the words/phrases in all the books in an entire library while yielding CPU for other tasks... that must involve some pretty interesting multi-threaded code, as it makes good use of our multi-cored processors.)
Okay, they got me in with day 4. :-)
Vanhoozer's understanding of postmodernism is great, and there's a lot of contributors in this dictionary's 800+ pages.
(BTW, love the way it added itself to my Hermeneutics collection in L4.)
Okay, they got me in with day 4. :-) Vanhoozer's understanding of postmodernism is great, and there's a lot of contributors in this dictionary's 800+ pages. (BTW, love the way it added itself to my Hermeneutics collection in L4.)
This is awesome. I needed this book for one of my classes next semester. I just saved a bunch of money. Thanks Logos !!!
Day4 got me too. Very appreciative of this one. Thanks!
Philip...
I bought the mugs, and used the download option.
there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!
I wanted to get two Logos travel mugs at 5.00 each...but the shipping was over 10.00!! We'll that's silly. They should have offered it as a download. Philip... I bought the mugs, and used the download option. there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!
It is an indexing not a downloading bug. Check your log.
Philip... I bought the mugs, and used the download option. there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!
You can always get a refund.
There's nothing stopping you using the cups in your cupboard. The mugs are designed to be used alongside your already existing cups...
I had to pass on the Anchor Dictionary. As much as I wanted this resource, my very gracious and understanding wife did not get upset when I purchased the NICOT/NICNT and upgraded to L4 Platinum, I'd better not push my luck.
Philip... I bought the mugs, and used the download option. there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared! You can always get a refund. There's nothing stopping you using the cups in your cupboard. The mugs are designed to be used alongside your already existing cups...
You must have gotten some of the L4 mugs that they substituted when they ran out of their supply of L3 mugs.
L3 mugs are still available as a free download. You are paying for the coffee not the mug.
I bought the mugs, and used the download option. there must be something wrong...I kept hitting "update now" and nothing ever appeared!
Sounds like my recently released Pre-Pub! [:D]
Great Christmas special today, the Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of Scripture. I was just about to suggest this as a prepub and then I checked the 12 Days of Logos special page.
BTW, Vanhoozer, a professor I had at Trinity, is the best evangelical Systematic Theologian in the world.
*In my deleted post above, I was having formatting issues due to imported html. Therefore I placed those items at the bottom of this post to avoid the issue...check those out before reading the post.
It's certainly nice that Logos is offering this for $25 for one day...but then it goes back to $55 bucks. That's $20 more for an e-book than the tangible, flip-through 'n' browse, take-to-the-beach (if your like me), loan-to-a-friend, sell-on-ebay (if you're so minded) version that can bought new on Amazon. Does that strike anyone else as...wrong? I've made the argument in other posts (the Zondervan collection posts, for instance) that e-books, very much because of their incorporality and insubstantiality ought to be treated as a commodity (i.e. sold in bulk) and at drastic discounts over the "in hand" versions.
The point I made in the other posts is that just a generation ago, before e-books and hyperlinking changed the landscape (in a very similar way as how mp3's changed the area of music consumption), very few individuals bought their own copies of items like ICC, WBC, Anchor Bible, and other similar multivolume resources. Instead, seminaries and libraries bought a copy and dozens or hundreds of users used them as they had opportunity. Now most of us are buying MANY of these multivolume sets just for our OWN use. As a result, I'm quite certain that the volume of sales for these items is going through the roof compared to many years ago. And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP (see above example...er, now it's the below example LOL).
I commend Logos for its recognition of the discount concept as displayed in the base packages. That is exactly the right way to proceed. But I suggest that this should be the standard for all sales of e-books across the board. There are hundreds of items not listed in any package offered by Logos, and they are marketed much the same way as the example above...i.e. the e-book literally costs MORE than the hardcopy does (unless temporarily on sale). Some people attempt to justify this by pointing out the greater utility that exists in the digital version. Yes, but that greater utility (with some lost utility as well) is precisely WHY thousands of individual users are buying individual copies of resources once purchased almost exclusively by institutions. And just as the ever increasing capability and utility of computers is not accompanied by every increasing prices, to the contrary, computer prices are constantly decreasing even in the face of greater power and functionality.
When a new product first hits the market, it is sold at a premium because it has to be sold in lower quantities to those few willing and able to pay for new (and in some cases potentially "dead end") cutting-edge technology. There's also a bit of the capitalization on the willingness of some to buy the more expensive "new" thing just so the buyer can have the temporary bragging rights of being the only one on the block to have "such and such". But as seen in the price of HD televisions (like computers, and indeed like nearly all electronics), the prices fall to a level such that even dollar stores eventually offer the once high-end products. Let's not forget that the "e" in e-book stands for "electronic".
I argue that the appropriate standard for e-books should be the low cost "bulk purchase" paradigm that is characterized by WalMart, Costco, Sam's, etc. Logos does that with base packages, but I for one would like to see that spread to the rest of its stable of resources. Specifically, I have in mind packages that do not include any of the items found in base packages. I do understand that to some extent Logos is at the mercy of publishers used to selling tangible items. I know Bob is doing his best to bring them around to the e-book concept, or a better understanding of that concept. The Zondervan package is a textbook example. As I've explained in those threads, I am fairly certain that Zondervan would sell MORE than 4 times as many packages if they cut their asking price by 75%. That would be a net gain in profits for them. It also gets the resources into MANY more hands, and that should be recognized as good for all parties involved...authors, publishers, and end-users.
Anyway, as soon as I hit the "Post" button, I'm going to get the Day4 offering. But I can tell you that I would rather purchase it as part of a bigger collection at an even bigger discount. I originally signed up for the PrePub of the Baker collection that today's offering was a part of, but even at the PrePub price, I recalculated that it was too rich for my wallet. Then after it went off PrePub, they came out with a deal on the cornerstone item of that package, which was the item I was most interested in. But even at that "sale price", I paid more for that e-book than I could have paid for the same book on Amazon. That is silly in theory, but since money is involved...it's also absurd. This book, today's offering, is from that same collection. There are a couple of other items I would also like from that collection...but now my worry is that I may buy these things piecemeal, only to find in a year that Logos has decided to implement a discount program like what I've suggest above, and the Baker collection that both of these books is part of will be part of that collection, and they will be offered at that deep discount price I want to see. That dilemma causes me to spend less money then I am willing to part with to get the things I want.
I am a Portfolio owner because I practice what I preach. I will fork over big bucks for big deals. I only sparingly spare with my shekels when the deal isn't there. But there's still lots of things in Logos's stable I would like to have in my "access" file, i.e. my Library. A couple of years ago I made a list of items I wanted to have, and even being selective I tabulated it and came up with $18,000. That was before tons of other items came out, some of which I have purchased on PrePub. Will I ever buy those items? Not at the current prices. So what does Logos get from me on those things? Nothing. If they slashed those items by 80-90%, I would eventually be willing to pay $3-4k for those items in a lump sum (on installment). If they slashed it to $2000 to $2,500, I'd make every effort to take advantage as soon as I could make it happen (for now, I am going to be paying for my Portfolio for a few months to come).
I'll close this by making a suggestion I've made in other threads. I would like to see a "Make Your Own Package" deal, where the amount of discount increases as the dollar amount of the purchase increases. But the amount of discount would have to be substantial enough to tip my internal "value" scale. I've heard Bob say that the Portfolio is at about a 90% discount...and I'm sure that's off the SRP. That's pretty much what I'm talking about, and that's why I am a Portfolio owner. Obviously, lower dollar amounts would be far lower in % savings. But even folks who aren't quite "there" in terms of their available financial outlay could benefit from a deal such as the one I'm describing. The key thing should be getting more product in people's hands. Making the value "irresistable" will do just that, and would also (I'm pretty certain) increase Logos's profits as well.
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tangible, flip-through 'n' browse, take-to-the-beach (if your like me), loan-to-a-friend,
David, This is a DICTIONARY! It makes more sense than ever to buy this in Logos format than hardback. If you sit on the beach reading a dictionary you are a little disturbed. (My son read the whole encyclopedia through, but at least the entries were longer and more interesting. Plus he is weird too sometimes.)
And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP
I sailed on the USS President Cleveland to Japan in 1970. It took 2 weeks and stopped in Hawaii. [ip] All food (including steak, scallops and shrimp) was free. The price of [ap] an airline ticket today is the same but you don't get 42 meals and onboard activities. Prices change. Do you earn more today than you did ten years ago?
Will I ever buy those items? Not at the current prices. So what does Logos get from me on those things? Nothing. If they slashed those items by 80-90%, I would eventually be willing to pay $3-4k for those items in a lump sum (on installment).
Some things in life You and I are never going to buy. You will eat at Hardee's with a coupon and I'll read my eBooks while I eat my ramen noodles. I would love for my bank to discount my house 80~90% and let me pay the "lump sum" in installments. [:P] If they would drop the price of a Hummer 90% I would buy one of them too. [au] Just thank God we live in a capitalist society and that Logos is producing these resources. In a socialist society nobody would be making Bible software of this calibre.
(We have heard your opinion on the economics of e-books 3x now. Thank Logos and take a rest.)[C]
Just thank God we live in a capitalist society and that Logos is producing these resources. In a socialist society nobody would be making Bible software of this calibre.
You can still sort of say that, but whether it will be true in another 3 yrs is up for grabs.
Tick,
Tick, ...... [O] Am I the only one staying up for the next 12 Days of Christmas Sale item?
If you haven't bought today's you only have 15 more minutes! JUMP on it!
Am I the only one staying up for the next 12 Days of Christmas Sale item
David, This is a DICTIONARY! It makes more sense than ever to buy this in Logos format than hardback. If you sit on the beach reading a dictionary you are a little disturbed.
Matt, I read dictionaries and encyclopedias all the time. Not cover to cover, but I can spend hours browsing around in one or the other. When I was living on campus at UNO (New Orleans), I used to go to the library and wander from floor to floor, aisle to aisle, and just pull stuff at random off of shelves and stand there reading until I got bored. Then I'd wander to another place and do the same. I could kill a whole afternoon and evening that way...so, disturbed? Maybe.
Speaking of disturbed, it disturbs me that you've mentioned the word "socialism" on two occasions (one having been removed upon reconsideration) with regard to my suggestions on this topic. I'm perplexed by that, since haggling over price is the quintesence of the free market...it practically defines it. I'm using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems) to cajole, inform, postulate, and otherwise attempt to influence those on the other side of the bargaining table to accede to my point of view, which it just so happens will provide a "win-win" opportunity for all parties involved (including you, Matt, if I'm successful).
Your "shut up and take what's offered and be grateful for it" stance, ironically enough, is exactly what those in socialistic and communistic systems are forced to accept. Your perspective seems to be inside out and backwards.
(We have heard your opinion on the economics of e-books 3x now. Thank Logos and take a rest.)
I've just finished observing Shabbat, so I've had my rest for the week. [A] Thanks for the cup of joe, though. [;)]
using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems)
Really? Somebody needs to tell the Swedes. As a (part) Finn renegade, I also knew there was something about those Swedes .... note: for those who don't know their Finnish history, Finland was part of Sweden at one time and it has a significant Swedish population - one of whom my full-Finn classmate married.
You must have gotten some of the L4 mugs that they substituted when they ran out of their supply of L3 mugs. L3 mugs are still available as a free download. You are paying for the coffee not the mug.
Both...classics....I spewed coffee out of my nose..thanks guys...
You better stop doing that. Your gonna get your sniffer all out of wack.
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[quote] You can always get a refund.
Again....both classics....you guys really brightened my morning.... [:D]
Now most of us are buying MANY of these multivolume sets just for our OWN use. As a result, I'm quite certain that the volume of sales for these items is going through the roof compared to many years ago. And yet the price doesn't appear to be going down...rather it often seems to be GOING UP
I don't want to appear insensitive to your complaint, but businesses exist to make a profit. As such, they sell their product for what the market will bear. If more people agreed with you, the price would come down, because the product would not sell. If the product sells for a certain price, there is no incentive to reduce the price and therefore gain less profit. That is the way the marketplace works.
That may work, but it would probably be very labor intensive unless you are speaking of an automatic % discount based on total cost. The publishers might not agree to that procedure. It is an interesting proposal, however.
am a Portfolio owner because I practice what I preach. I will fork over big bucks for big deals
Having read that I can see that you are a customer suggesting a better way of doing business.
May be I did not get all the discussion involved (I was busy with buying the Day 4 Special [8-|] ) I have to say however you are right in your commenting on the socialist and communist system. I lived in such for much longer part of my life, so I know what I am speaking about.
One of my first shock experiences, when being able to go to the Free World (it was Helsinki by the way) was to realize you can buy the same thing for many different prices. For example, in the socialist system you were able to buy just one or 2 cameras (in our Czech, it means more lucky situation) and always for the same price. Whether you got it in Prague or in the smallest town, price was the same. Coming to Helsinki, I asked my friend to get me to the camera shop and I was shocked. There were 50 or more cameras and he said if I want better prices we can go somewhere else. What you mean somewhere else? You mean they will have different prices for the same camera? It is illegal, no? Not at all. Welcome to the free market. You would not believe the feeling [:D]
So, thanks God for the free market and for the freedom of speech. Of course the biggest thanks for the freedom to practice our Christianity. It was not so obvious before and it is not so in many parts of the world today.
And thank you, Bohuslav, for that insight. Quite often, we here in the States do no realize how very fortunate we are. I remember port visits to the East Coast of Africa and to Karachi. One of our chiefs remarked that every citizen of the US should be required to spend six weeks in that area and then perhaps they would realize how "lucky" they were. (Lucky was his word, I no longer believe in luck. God is in control of providence)
Speaking of disturbed, it disturbs me that you've mentioned the word "socialism" on two occasions (one having been removed upon reconsideration) with regard to my suggestions on this topic.
I removed the post because it was off-topic. Since keeping to topic is not that important to you I will address it this time.
Free market doesn't mean you walk into a store & walk out with something for free. Haggle all you want but if you do it publicly you're shooting yourself in the foot. If Logos sells a Portfolio package to some impoverished missionary or preacher for $99 you will never hear about it. If you demand everybody gets Portfolio for $99 you will never see that either. In the 1980s I read The Freeman, all the Austrian economists, Heritage Foundation reports, and other related tomes. (It was a slow decade in literature.) I know what defines socialism, communisim and free market. I was also a union organizer with collective bargaining training. I served in public office and made frequent use of "executive sessions." (Oh, as church deacon and elder too.) Some things don't belong on display.
I'm using my free speech opportunity (also something not found in socialistic & communistic systems) to cajole, inform, postulate, and otherwise attempt to influence those on the other side of the bargaining table to accede to my point of view, which it just so happens will provide a "win-win" opportunity for all parties involved (including you, Matt, if I'm successful).
Do I have the free speech right to walk in the White House and tell President Obama what I think of his socialist agenda? Did Act-Up have the free speech right to interrupt Cardinal O' Connor during Communion at St. Patrick's Cathedral? There is a reason most delicate military operations are covertly done. You can get anything done if you don't mind who gets the credit.
I appreciate your stated goals. I just don't believe you will attain them this way. Plus, it is not polite to insult Logos in their own house. You would not walk in a restaurant and shout for lower menu prices, would you?
In Genesis 23:9 Abraham gladfully pays the full fair price. I have no problem paying Logos a fair price. If your fair price differs from theirs, be graceful and walk away. Don't cast aspersions in their forums.
Apologies for this off-topic break. (Where is Blair Newman with that commercial zapper VCR when you need him?). I now return to the regularly scheduled topic: 12 Days of Logos Christmas Special ( [8]The music begins...)
Okay, they got me in with day 4. :-) Vanhoozer's understanding of postmodernism is great, and there's a lot of contributors in this dictionary's 800+ pages. (BTW, love the way it added itself to my Hermeneutics collection in L4.) Day4 got me too. Very appreciative of this one. Thanks!
Day 5 got me too...you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble. [H]
you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble.
Going to be in trouble? You're lucky. I already am in trouble. [^o)]
Day 5 got me too...you guys better stop offering such good books at such good deals or I'm gonna be in trouble.
Bought into day 5 also. And as an added benefit Chapell's course at Covenant Theological Seminary, that is based on the book, is available free on-line:
M. Jones and others
LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist).
besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist.
And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion
why is socialism a bad thing?
With a benevolent Creator in charge it isn't.
M. Jones and others LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist). besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist. And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face. What's wrong with socialism? It saps initiative for one thing. Let's just talk about health care for a moment. Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free. Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top. Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't. With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates). Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system. They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it. Do you really want Washington controlling your life? Yuch !
besides, Socialists use interlinear.
Oh no...now you've done it....you've "awakened the sleeping giant"...to borrow a phrase from a situation and now[*-)] is likely to result in a similar sized explosion...
besides, Socialists use interlinear. Oh no...now you've done it....you've "awakened the sleeping giant"...to borrow a phrase from a situation and now is likely to result in a similar sized explosion...
Oh no...now you've done it....you've "awakened the sleeping giant"...to borrow a phrase from a situation and now is likely to result in a similar sized explosion...
Sorry. The forum is too slow right now and I need a distraction. Come on George...don't disappoint!
Is today's (Day5) book offering really that good? Is it truly "the best book on expository preaching"? Or should I pass and use the money to upgrade to Portfolio? [;)] I'm still debating whether or not to upgrade...
I've got Chapell's book on my shelf in the dead tree version already. C'mon tomorrow.
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face. What's wrong with socialism? It saps initiative for one thing. Let's just talk about health care for a moment. Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free. Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top. Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't. With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates). Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system. They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it. Do you really want Washington controlling your life? Yuch ! besides, Socialists use interlinear.
You may very well be correct. I wouldn't put it past them. They do all sorts of strange things.
Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face.
Socialism would never slap me, at the most it would tickle me gently with the feather of benevolence.
Let's just talk about health care for a moment. Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free. Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top. Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't. With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates). Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system. They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it.
I cannot talk on behalf of Britain, France and Canada, but it works pretty well here in Denmark. Free healthcare and insurance through the state (and of course it is paid for over taxes, i'm not in any way disputing that) actually works great. So much even that the most liberal parties are supporting it. we got free education as well. I'm studying theology in the University of Aarhus without paying for anything but books, and i get money from the state as well for studying (§1016,98 a month).
Do you really want Washington controlling your life? Yuch !
Honestly, I won't, but that would imply an american invasion of Denmark, which I don't think is going to happen.
M. Jones and others LOL. why is socialism a bad thing? (And don't give me that soviet-union talk. I am very well aware of what was done there and I, as well as most others, know it was horrible, but that doesn't prevent me from being socialist). besides that. Obama is not a socialist. In my eyes he is a liberal and if you're talking about his healthcare politics, it is definitely not socialist. And this discussion about pricing should have been taken in a thread in suggestions not in the '12 Days of logos' discussion Obviously you wouldn't know socialism if it slapped you in the face. What's wrong with socialism? It saps initiative for one thing. Let's just talk about health care for a moment. Everyone wants something free, but "free" health care isn't free. Everyone still needs to be paid, and on top of that you have some government bureaucrat shuffling papers in Washington who gets a cut off the top. Not only that, they decide what they will cover and what they won't. With an insurance company what they cover depends on the plan you are able to negotiate (or your employer negotiates). Resultwise, look at Britain, France, Canada -- no one is happy with their system. They all come here because they get better care and get it when they need it. Do you really want Washington controlling your life? Yuch !
I truly wish you well, George, but you cannot even imagine how offensive your post is. You truly are, in the proper dictionary sense of the word, ignorant of what is happening in other countries, at least for Canada, a country of many Logos users also. That is a fact and it is the truth.
Logos desires to be respected internationally. I would think that if there were a moderater to these forums that your post would have been removed already.
George, everytime you post, you quote John Hus, "george gfsomsel … search for truth, hear truth, learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, defend the truth till death. - Jan Hus.
Well, right now you do not speak truth. Canadians are overwhelmingly appreciative and supportive of our national universal health care. We may not live as high on the hog as you Americans, but the weakest and poorest, even the homeless, have complete access to our Health Care System that is absolutely equal to that of the richest, most affluent, and most powerful. That is a fact, George, and you are absolutely saying something that is absolutely untruthful. May God forgive you. I really don't think you know what you do.
Yours in Christ,
Mel
Even those who need to wait months to see a doctor or to be scheduled for a special test? I'm telling you that they come here or some of them die because of the wait.
