Has anyone tried installing Logos on an SD card as if it were an SD? (E.g., http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Professional-128GB-Memory-LSD128CTBNA400/dp/B007BZRXK2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361560394&sr=1-1&keywords=256gb+sd+card )Does the "high speed" 60Mb/s represent an I/O rate faster than 7200rpm disk for indexing?
Would it be worth the investment?
Can Logos even be installed on it, if we added one?
Thanks for your counsel!
Does the "high speed" 60Mb/s represent an I/O rate faster than 7200rpm disk for indexing?
You'll get more than 60Mb/s from a 7200rpm drive, so it wouldn't be worth it. USB 2.0 drives will be similarly slow. You'll get 400Mb/s from a fast SSD. You can test the speed of your existing disk using HD Tune (the free version is fine).
That's an interesting little program, Mark. I'm not smart enough to know all the ins/outs of it (or disk-drives).
My HD read at around 100 or so; the SSD around 150-180. But my 8g microSD was 10! Whoa. Get that horse and buggy off the highway!
You'll get more than 60Mb/s from a 7200rpm drive, so it wouldn't be worth it.
Thanks, Mark!
New i7 laptop with discrete video card coming... it'll have a 7200rpm (latest SATA) 750Gb hybrid drive (16Gb onboard SSD). But I won't have much (any?) influence on what goes on the internal SSD. It'll pick based on frequency of use or somesuch. No SSD was available. And I don't want to crack the case to put an SSD in until it comes out from under warranty.
<sigh> it's always something, isn't it?
Thanks again!
You'll get more than 60Mb/s from a 7200rpm drive
Actually, I have a 7200rpm (SATA 2) drive on my old/current laptop... it's achieving 60Mbps transfer, based on the stats of that HD Tune program. (Thanks for that, btw). When the new laptop arrives, I'll check it on HD Tune & make a decision about an SD chip, then.
There were even higher speed SD chips available, but they're pricier...
If the higher speed SD chips would support L5, how big does one need them to be in order for indexing to be performed on it?
If I understood the question, I don't think it needs to be higher. I have currently 1,007 books (I've returned a couple of hundred of them but they have not been deleted from my drive). My C: drive is an 83 GB formatted, NTFS SSD and I have only Windows, Logos, Chrome and Adobe Reader installed on it. 47.3 GB free. Everything else goes to the 7200 rpm external HDD (250 GB which is much more than I need).
That all depends on the size of your library. You should check the size of your entire Logos folder (that includes the program, the resources and the index). My Logos folder (which has lots of resources) is 38.4Gb. Then check the size of your indexes. They'll be included in the former figure, but you need to know their size to make sure you've got enough room for reindexing. The indexes are in the following folders (my sizes in parentheses):
I would recommend the minimum size of a Logos installation to be the size of your entire Logos folder, plus the size of the index again (to allow for reindexing), plus enough for the largest resource download you might make (say 1-1.5Gb), plus plenty of spare, just in case.
In my case that's 38.4+1.4+8.7+0.1+1.3+1.5 = 51.4 - so a 64Gb drive should be adequate for me. You might even get away with 32Gb if you have a small or medium library.
Thanks, Mark! All my files are in a Logos 4 folder... couldn't find a Logos5 folder anywhere (tho' I have L5 Silver on top of L4 Platinum).
Looks like a 64Gb folder will serve me well. Do you know if the standard readers in laptops will support the higher read/write speeds of something like this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820301031
Here's the machine that'll be its host, if it looks like something that'd help with an answer... I customized it with the 2gb video card, 750Gb 7200rpm hybrid h/d, etc.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-ENVY/C2Y54AV?HP-ENVY-dv6t-7300-Quad-Edition-Notebook-PC
I think the quoted speed (400x) is still only 60Mb/s. The rate relates to the original speed of a CD-ROM drive, which was only 150Kb/s (see here). Indeed, the SD card to linked to originally was only 400x.
The only way you're going to get SSD type performance is through one of the following ports: USB 3.0, eSATA, or Thunderbolt. The laptop you link to does have USB 3.0 superspeed, so you'd need a USB 3.0 memory stick or drive. Most of the USB 3.0 drives are 'only' about 50-100Mb/s, so don't buy one unless you know the transfer speed. Here are some that are faster:
<sigh> Looks like I'm still at square 0... it looks like the USB 3.0 drive would have the performance, but I wouldn't want to install Logos on it, as it's physical characteristics aren't such that I'd want to leave it permanently in the machine. I'd be afraid of accidentally damaging the USB 3.0 port if I left it in when transporting the laptop to/from work each day. And if I forgot to plut the USB drive back in after transportation, I can only imagine what that'd do to the L5 installation should L5 happen to be indexing when I put the laptop to sleep--an all too common occurrence.
Looks like there's no way out but to wait a year, convert the initially delivered drive to a USB attached drive, & replace it with an SSD.
You've been VERY helpful, as usual, Mark. Thanks so much!
Would using a SD Card with this ReadyBoost help with the Logos 5? just thinking.
ReadyBoost is designed to help the OS (not applications) and is disabled if you have an SSD drive!
You could buy a caddy and stick an SSD drive in your CD/DVD drive space (assuming you have one and it's removable). It will be SATA2 and should be capable of 3Gb/s in theory. What model of laptop have you purchased?
Lee, I've used a ReadyBoost SD card in my laptop (specs below) for a long time. It has reduced the time required for almost every long task by hours. I chose to put an 8Gb SD card (double my RAM size) because it was the cheapest memory I could add... The only task I've timed before/after was a regularly scheduled all-data-files (including Libronix resources & PBBs) backup. That task went from 5hr plus down to 1-2hr.
I'm not sure indexing would show that kind of increase if I were brave enough to pull the card out & type the REINDEX NOW command, but I'm confident it'd be significantly longer than the overnight task it is now on this laptop. (That's whyI'm upgrading after 5 years with it.)
However, Tom's suggestion above would result in even faster gains.
Yes that would be quite a bit faster. I forgot to mention that with many new laptops you can put an mSATA drive in your WLAN place. You can get pretty big mSATA drives now and they aren't that expensive.
Let me know how it works out. My laptop is nearing 5 now as well and I'm thinking of replacing it this year. I've been waiting for SSD drives to come down in price and/or become standard issue but it's been a long wait.
Has anyone tried installing Logos on an SD card as if it were an SD? (E.g., http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Professional-128GB-Memory-LSD128CTBNA400/dp/B007BZRXK2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361560394&sr=1-1&keywords=256gb+sd+card )Does the "high speed" 60Mb/s represent an I/O rate faster than 7200rpm disk for indexing? Would it be worth the investment? Can Logos even be installed on it, if we added one? Thanks for your counsel!
UPDATE 1 year later....
Now that the laptop is out of warranty, I just completed the replacement of the Seagate 750Gb hybrid drive with a Samsung 850 Pro 512 Gb SSD. It's a bit faster, but not as much as I'd thought it would be.I'm also still trying to figure out how to get the laptop to stop using a RAID controller & start using AHCI on a USB 3.0 disk controller...
Finally, does anyone have insight on what a properly configured SSD will achieve on starting Logos with all resources closed?
Has anyone tried installing Logos on an SD card as if it were an SD? (E.g., http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Professional-128GB-Memory-LSD128CTBNA400/dp/B007BZRXK2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361560394&sr=1-1&keywords=256gb+sd+card )Does the "high speed" 60Mb/s represent an I/O rate faster than 7200rpm disk for indexing? Would it be worth the investment? Can Logos even be installed on it, if we added one? Thanks for your counsel! UPDATE 1 year later.... Now that the laptop is out of warranty, I just completed the replacement of the Seagate 750Gb hybrid drive with a Samsung 850 Pro 512 Gb SSD. It's a bit faster, but not as much as I'd thought it would be.I'm also still trying to figure out how to get the laptop to stop using a RAID controller & start using AHCI on a USB 3.0 disk controller... Finally, does anyone have insight on what a properly configured SSD will achieve on starting Logos with all resources closed?
I am running a Transcend SSD (512gb) and I start to a blank layout in 12-13 seconds. Much faster than with the HD this laptop came with. I would imagine there are other variables such as processor, memory, etc. that affect the startup time. But I think you will find a significant difference with your SSD
My original hdd died on my laptop, installed a 256 SSD and with 6gig of Ram on a AMD A6 Quad Core, Logos opens fully functional in about 20 seconds with about a dozen resources, copy bible verses, Exegetical and Passage Guides open. The performance has been a huge improvement over the old 5400 rpm drive! Wonder how powerful it would be on a newer i5 or i7 system....
Thanks, Fred & Frank.
It reduced loading my main sermon layout (about 30 resources & 8 tailored guides/tools open) from 47 to 30 seconds, but I was hoping for a good bit more of a reduction....
Wow Bill! For what you have loading that seems to be an awesome load time. I can't give a fair comparison since my cpu is nowhere near yours, would love to see others with comparable systems chime in as to their load times with similar layouts. I've been considering i5 or i7 for my next system after years of faithful AMD consumerism, your beast of a resource layout loading quick may sway me to Intel LOL
Update: Just surprised myself... I opened 30 resources and 8 guides/tools and was within a second or two of yours.... Not bad and entirely unexpected!
Wow Bill! For what you have loading that seems to be an awesome load time. I can't give a fair comparison since my cpu is nowhere near yours, would love to see others with comparable systems chime in as to their load times with similar layouts. I've been considering i5 or i7 for my next system after years of faithful AMD consumerism, your beast of a resource layout loading quick may sway me to Intel LOL Update: Just surprised myself... I opened 30 resources and 8 guides/tools and was within a second or two of yours.... Not bad and entirely unexpected!
Hi Frank,
Where the i7 has really shone has been in indexing, watching all the cores get busy. What used to take almost 24 hr on my old core 2 duo took under 2 hours. Added an 8Gb SD card & dedicated it to Windows' "turboboost" (can't remember exact name of the function, but I found it on a tab of the Properties for the disk). When that was added, it took another 30-45 minutes off indexing times.
Can't wait to see what happens now.
Frank, the AMD CPU You have is decent. The software, Logos, basically won't start in less than about 8½ seconds with a complex study-layout and lots and lots of settings even on any high-end Windows system costing above $3,000 used:
Thanks Bill & Unix [Y]
Frank,
My SSD is giving about a 20% boost. According to a benchmark for a Seagate Momentus 750Gb hybrid drive (what I had), that might be typical.
