Video tutorial: Creating collections

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 10 2009 4:34 PM

I've made a video that demonstrates some of the more advanced ways of creating collections. It assumes a basic knowledge of collections, and covers search syntax in the collections pane, showing how to create true dynamic collections without relying on adding/removing individual resources. It concludes by giving the example of a dynamic collection of commentaries on John's gospel, which automatically excluding commentaries on John's letters.

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Robert Kostenbauder | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 6:05 PM

Thank you. This video is more useful than the ones on the website.

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 8:03 PM

Thank you so much Mark. Your last three videos have been a great help.

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Mitch Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 10 2009 8:55 PM

Mark,

Excellent work on showing us how to create collections.

I did have one comment as it pertained to your last collection example on John. To make things simpler (less redundant) I chose this as my querie: type:commentary AND (title:john OR subject:john) ANDNOT 1st, 2nd, 3rd, epistles, "1 John", "2 John", "3 John", Revelation

Thus, my question would be: what is the advantage of the redundant "subject:" in the ANDNOT section.? Would I be missing anything dynamically down the road. Seems to be I wouldn't but thought you might give me (and others) some insight.

Thanks again! You and John (Fidel) have really done excellent work on your video tutorials. Yes

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 2:00 AM

Mitch,

The big problem is the decription field which can often contain references to other biblical books. On my system your search string would exclude both the ICC and WBC commentaries on John. I can't tell why the ICC is excluded, but the WBC is excluded because it's description field contains the word revelation: "a committment to scripture as divine revelation". Better safe than sorry, and include the subject in my view.

Mark

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 3:14 AM

Mark,

Very nicely done...you're a natural teacher...

Robert Pavich

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 5:29 AM

Mitch Davis:
I did have one comment as it pertained to your last collection example on John. To make things simpler (less redundant) I chose this as my querie: type:commentary AND (title:john OR subject:john) ANDNOT 1st, 2nd, 3rd, epistles, "1 John", "2 John", "3 John", Revelation

Will this suggestion doesn't work, another user on another thread suggested the following, which is shorter but does work:

type:commentary AND (title:john, subject:john) ANDNOT subject:("1 John", "2 John", "3 John", "John, 1st", "John, 2nd", "John, 3rd", revelation, "epistles of john")

 

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Chuck Forsythe | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:11 AM

Thank you Mark. This is helpful.

 

Perhaps this would be a bit more simple if Logos could create a searchable field specific to each book of the Bible for each commentary. Something like this:

  • Type: Bible Commentary, Matthew
  • Type: Bible Commentary, Mark
  • Type: Bible Commentary, Luke
  • Type: Bible Commentary, John
  • ...
  • Type: Bible Commentary, 1 John
  • Type: Bible Commentary, 2 John
  • Type: Bible Commentary, 3 John
  • Type: Bible Commentary, Jude
  • Type: Bible Commentary, Revelation

 

OR, MAYBE (if this is a Boolean term <grin>) there could be more consistency with the names of the subject fields so that 3rd John appears only as 3rd John ANDNOT John, 3rd; OR III John; 3 John; OR John, third; OR ...

There seems to be a raft load of subjects for the general epistles

  • commentaries.--John, 1st)
  • N.T.-- 1st John
  • etc., etc., etc.

 

Chuck

 

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Roger King | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:19 AM

Thanks Mark! Another great and helpful video.

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Mitch Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:34 AM

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Mark Barnes:
ANDNOT subject:("1 John", "2 John", ....

Yes, that would work! Thanks Mark (and you, too, Dave!)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:34 AM

Yes, Chuck, consistency within the subject metadata is very important and sadly lacking. The new collections feature has exposed this problem, which has been around since Logos 2. Hopefully they will address this in the future.

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:35 AM

another great video Mark. thanks again!

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 6:39 AM

Mark, truly an excellent tutorial. For me, not as much about the collections as how well L4 handles the search syntax.

 

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 11 2009 8:13 PM

Mitch Davis:

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Mark Barnes:
ANDNOT subject:("1 John", "2 John", ....

Yes, that would work! Thanks Mark (and you, too, Dave!)

And this is the ultimate for brevity:-

type:commentary (title:john,subject:john) -subject:("1 John","2 John","3 John","John,1st","John,2nd","John, 3rd",revelation,"epistles of john")

although this is more readable (with spaces after commas):-

type:commentary (title:john, subject:john) -subject:("1 John", "2 John", "3 John", "John, 1st", "John, 2nd", "John, 3rd", revelation, "epistles of john")

You can use - for ANDNOT in searches (as well as ,  for OR and space for AND).

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Pastor R L Jones Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 7 2012 5:46 PM

Mark,

 

Just viewed your video.  It is on point and very helpful.

Thanks for sharing.

Robert Jones

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Dragan Nicolae | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 25 2012 4:37 AM

Thank you , Mark ! 

Any tutorial is welcome! Especially the good one like yours! Yes

 

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