Read Aloud Switching Speaker Voice?

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2013 12:10 PM

Does anyone know of a solution to get the Read Aloud voice to stop switching to another voice? I used to use Read Aloud in Logos 4 quite a bit and did not encounter this issue until after the upgrade. Does anyone know if there is something I need to do?

If you're wondering what I'm talking about, try listening to these (if you have these resources):

About the third paragraph in, this one switches on me:  logosres:lange64jn;ref=Page.p_267;off=2753

Voice switches about 4 paragraphs in after a verse reference: logosres:gs-bsac-143;ref=VolumeNumberPage.V_143,_N_570,_p_156;off=354

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Chris

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 12:19 PM

chartman:
Does anyone know of a solution to get the Read Aloud voice to stop switching to another voice?

Your issue isn't happening to me on Mac. Perhaps it is a windows settings issue? 

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 12:28 PM

I checked the reference to Langes and the voice did not switch to another voice. Do you have more than one voice option available to you in the windows system?

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 12:41 PM

Thanks all for your questions and input.

I am on a Mac right now. I do have a Windows computer, but I have not upgraded Logos to version 5 on that system just yet.

Text to speech voice setting is:   Tom  

speed: Normal

Thanks!

Chris

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 12:54 PM

Sorry, I can't help you with Mac.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 1:07 PM

chartman:
Text to speech voice setting is:   Tom

I don't have "Tom" installed, and would rather not download the 450 MB file. Have you tried using one of the other voices to see if that fixes the problem?

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 1:26 PM

I tested to see if switching voices would help and the same problem. It switches to what almost sounds like a foreign speaker. In fact, it sounds Greek, when it gets to numbers, they are definitely being spoken in modern Greek.

I do have a Greek keyboard installed in my Mac OS. 

OS 10.8.3     latest version with updates

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Chris

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 1:44 PM

Here is my guess… When the "read aloud" comes to the greek text, it switches voices. When mine comes to the greek text, it skips over it completely. 

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 1:46 PM

I wondered the same thing too, but in the Lange reference noted in original post, it switches during a verse reference and not on Greek words. It doesn't appear to be associated with a language switch that I can tell.

Thanks!

Chris

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 1:51 PM

Sorry for the confusion, in my previous post, I stated that it was Lange, but it was the second resource where the Chapter numbers are being read that it switches.

Here is a more detailed breakout of the exact time it switches:

In the Lange article:

"...So also Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles, Alford, Wescott and Hort.  <SWITCH>

The prevailing critical evidence, though mostly negative (especially from the Eastern Church), is against the passage, the moral evidence for it; in other words, it seems to be no original part of John’s written Gospel..."

In the Bibliotheca Sacra article:

"The Context: Counsel concerning Christian Liberty (Chaps. 8-14) <SWITCH>

Paul’s directives about the state of women in the church (11:2–16) and the state of Christians at the Lord’s Supper..."

Hope that helps.

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Chris

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 2:05 PM

This issue is probably beyond the scope of the forums to solve… then again, KS4J seems to always surprise me. Smile I don't know if logs would help or not. If you haven't posted logs before, you can find instructions in the links in my signature line. 

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 2:37 PM

Log file version created and attached to this post.

Replication confirmed and tested with the Lange commentary included in Logos 5 using the link provided earlier in this thread.

NOTE: I changed the .zip file name of the log archive to my screen name as my full name is provided in it and I did not want to provide to public access.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: I noticed that if I started one paragraph earlier to Read Aloud before the break (see above for the Lange resource which was opened for this test), the voice did not switch. If I scrolled back a bit earlier by one more paragraph, it switched in the same place noted above.

1207.LogosLogs.chartman.20130404-002450.zip

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Grayson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 3:37 PM

If I recall correctly, the read aloud functionality was changed slightly on the Mac for 5.0.  The change was to switch to use a Greek voice (Alexandros is provided by Apple) when Greek text is displayed.  English voices would not read Greek text aloud, so switching to a locale-appropriate voice enabled read aloud for Greek text.  It appears that the automatic switch between voices may be getting confused.

I have made a case for this issue.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 3:55 PM

Grayson:
The change was to switch to use a Greek voice (Alexandros is provided by Apple) when Greek text is displayed.  English voices would not read Greek text aloud, so switching to a locale-appropriate voice enabled read aloud for Greek text.

It did not do so for me… it skipped over the greek entirely. I am running beta. If you think I should create a thread and post logs, let me know.

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Grayson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 4:47 PM

@alamaba24, do you have a Greek voice installed?  It should be in the "Text to Speech" pane of the Speech System Preference.  "Alexandros" is the Apple-provided voice and may not be installed in default installations.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 5:35 PM

Grayson:
do you have a Greek voice installed?

I did not. I installed one on my iMac and can confirm the issue. Would you like to me post a bug report in the beta forums, or will this thread suffice? 

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 12:41 AM

Grayson,

Thanks for the note about Greek voices. I do have Alexandros and Melina voices. I selected Alexandros to hear the voice played back and can confirm  that is the voice which I am hearing in when it switches. FYI: If it helps any, his playback speed is set to slower than normal.

Thanks again,

Chris

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 6:06 AM

chartman:
FYI: If it helps any, his playback speed is set to slower than normal.

I didn't change that setting… it's "normal" on mine. 

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 2:21 PM

Alabama24,

Thanks for noting that... if it helps, I ran a test moving Alexndros' voice at normal setting and using the Alex voice as the speaking voice and it still switched to Alexandros' voice at the same location as before.

Chris

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Brisa Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 14 2013 3:27 PM

The issue of Read Aloud incorrectly switching the speaker voice will be fixed in 5.1 Beta 7 for beta users, and in general when 5.1 ships to the stable channel.

Due to this fix, the Greek words in English resources will be skipped since the English voices provided by Apple cannot read the Greek appropriately. On Windows, the Greek text is not skipped. I have reported this issue to Development.

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