Erroneous TDNT pop-up - it renders the ESL entry, not the TDNT....

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Apr 3 2013 6:00 PM

In studying the Greek word, hupostello (G5288)......With ESL open, hovering over the “TDNT 7:597” link renders a pop-up that cites “TDNT Volume 7, page 597” at the lower right of the pop-up, but the entry is the exact text of the ESL 5288 entry.

Every TDNT pop-up in ESL does the same thing - it says it’s the TDNT entry, but renders the ESL entry for the respective Strong’s #.

Is there something I’m missing in how Logos works, or is that an internal link that is all crossed up?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 6:24 PM

I am not seeing this on my computer (see screen shot below). Do you own the TDNT? If so, I wonder if there is a problem with your index... Let's see what others say. 

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 7:17 PM

Alabama needs to reset his shows DBL Greek, you should get this:

also check your date:

LLS:46.30.3

2009-10-28T21:41:11Z

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 7:28 PM

I'm not on my computer right now... Is it a prioritization issue?

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 7:30 PM

alabama24:

I'm not on my computer right now... Is it a prioritization issue?

dun'no, I don't use prioritization...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 9:13 PM

Apexite:
Every TDNT pop-up in ESL does the same thing - it says it’s the TDNT entry, but renders the ESL entry for the respective Strong’s #.

This is a matter of Prioritization --> http://wiki.logos.com/Prioritizing

Basically you need to prioritize TDNT above ESL to ensure TDNT numbers are not handled by ESL, but then you may run into another problem because TDNT also handles Strong's Greek numbers and Greek headwords!

If ESL is your main lexicon you will have to use Advanced Prioritization on TDNT and prioritize as follows:-

  • TDNT  Apply only to  Theological Dictionary of the New Testament --> from the first dropdown
  • ESL  --> no restriction

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2013 9:42 PM

Dave Hooton:

If ESL is your main lexicon you will have to use Advanced Prioritization on TDNT and prioritize as follows:-

  • TDNT  Apply only to  Theological Dictionary of the New Testament --> from the first dropdown
  • ESL  --> no restriction

Personally have lexicons without Strong's numbers prioritized, then TDNT begins prioritization for lexicons with Strong's numbers.

Dictionary of Biblical Languages (DBL) lexicons have Strong's, TDNT, and TWOT numbering.  For Strong's pop-up in DBL, have ESL advanced prioritization

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 4:57 AM

Prioritization changes things - but the rendering error (or misunderstanding of how it works) still remains.

I just moved DBL Greek to the top prioritization spot, so when I am in DBL for hypostello (which is DBL 5713), and hover over STR 5288, I get the exact text of DBL 5713, although at the lower right it reads "Strong's Greek #5288".  And then when I go to ESL for 5288 and hover over TDNT 7:597, I get the exact text of DBL, with it reading at the lower right "TDNT Volume 7, Page 597 | DBL Greek".   So it appears that what has happened is a switch from one erroneous rendering to another, with prioritization being the determining factor of which error I get.

I have never investigated Advanced Prioritization - but it seems a bit strange that AP is required in order to get a proper pop-up when hovering over a linked resource.  Is that really a feature, or is that a bug?

[For future posting, how do I do a slice of a screen capture the way you guys are doing it?]

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 5:38 AM

Apexite:
[For future posting, how do I do a slice of a screen capture the way you guys are doing it?]

Have a look at http://wiki.logos.com/Screenshot

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 3:35 PM

Apexite:
I have never investigated Advanced Prioritization - but it seems a bit strange that AP is required in order to get a proper pop-up when hovering over a linked resource.  Is that really a feature, or is that a bug?

It's a necessary feature when lexicons can handle many datatypes like Strong's Greek number, Hebrew words, Greek words, Strong's Hebrew number, TDNT number, etc.

The trick is to put all advanced prioritization (AP) above the main lexicon entries. So if you want ESL to handle Strong's numbers put the AP for ESL above the DBL entry  e.g.

  • TDNT  Apply only to  Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
  • ESL  Apply only to  Greek Strong's Number
  • ESL  Apply only to  Hebrew Strong's Number
  • DBL Greek
  • DBL Hebrew
  • DBL Aramaic
  • ESL  
  • TDNT

ESL will have second priority (after DBL) for Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic words but ESL will have first priority for Greek/Hebrew Strong's numbers.

TDNT will have third priority (after DBL & ESL) for Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic words, but it has first priority for TDNT number.

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 7:30 PM

THANKS, guys, for the help - all appreciated!  And the specific guidance that the last post included was especially helpful, Dave.  I have followed your AP instructions (watching Mark Barnes video as well), and I'm close, but still not there.

I set the AP as you suggested, and now when looking at the entry for #5288 (hupostello) in ESL, I can hover over the Strong's # for the prefix and root, and I get the ESL entry for those Strong's #'s, as I should.  And when I hover over the TDNTA "1074", I get the TDNTA entry for 1074, as expected (although I did no AP on that resource).  But when I hover over the GK "5713", or the TDNT "7:597", I get the exact same entry in the pop-up: the DBL for 5713.  Are there a couple more AP settings I need to change?

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Room4more | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 7:54 PM

Apexite,

No disrespect to the above poster's but if de-prioritize those, you will never have that problem....just saying with all the 'trouble/backtrack/apply-this-to-that' you have to do. I de-prioritized sometime back when L4 came out and have never had a problem. but then this is me.......

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2013 8:29 PM

Apexite:
Are there a couple more AP settings I need to change?

Wonder about prioritizing TDNT before ESL ?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 12:23 AM

Apexite:
 But when I hover over the GK "5713", or the TDNT "7:597", I get the exact same entry in the pop-up: the DBL for 5713.  Are there a couple more AP settings I need to change?

The GK pop-up is correct because DBL is the highest prioritised source. I've verified that the TDNT# is picked up from TDNT with the AP on TDNT - did you set up the AP exactly as shown?

Note that you have to set up AP's first before you can add the general prioritization for ESL and TDNT (at the bottom of the list).

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 8:01 AM

So.....I tried all 3 of the latest suggestions:

I changed the order of ESL and TDNT - no change from prior pop-up results.

I eliminated ALL prioritization of Lexicons - that made things worse (hovering over Strong's #, the pop-up rendered WSNTDICT entry, not ESL), and the TDNT pop-up seemed random - no logical start at the beginning of any entry, let alone the appropriate tagged entry.

Starting from NO lexicons being prioritized, I once again reproduced exactly what was suggested on the AP for TDNT, ESL, ESL - followed by the exact order of general prioritization - and it still brought up the DBL Greek pop-up results when hovering over TDNT.  

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 8:23 AM

Apexite:
Starting from NO lexicons being prioritized, I once again reproduced exactly what was suggested on the AP for TDNT, ESL, ESL - followed by the exact order of general prioritization - and it still brought up the DBL Greek pop-up results when hovering over TDNT.  

Have you checked there are no higher prioritizations for DBL (or a another lexicon)? Post a screen shot of your prioritization list.

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 8:38 AM

No higher prioritizations for DBL (or any other lexicon).  And here is the first screen shot I've ever done (I hope it works).  [Any chance one of you lives in North Carolina? I'd be happy to have you set this up up me!]

 

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 8:42 AM

Let me try attaching that screen shot again.......

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 3:17 PM

Apexite:
Let me try attaching that screen shot again.......

Your AP of TDNT is incorrect. Redo it and set the value only in the first box "of this type"  like you did for ESL.

You need to include DBL Aramaic if you have that volume.

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Apexite | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2013 5:12 PM

Dave - I changed it per your instructions.  And yes, it worked.  You're a CHAMP!!  The DBL did not pop-up when hovering over the TDNT link.  The TDNT entry popped up, so I'm thrilled.  But there is still one quirk (perhaps no way to eliminate).  The quirk is, it doesn't pop up to the first line of the word hupostello.  Rather, it pops up to the first line of the linked page (in this case, "TDNT Volume 7, Page 597", with the pop-up text rendering 18 lines of the prior word to hupostello, and then has room for just 1 truncated line of hupostello info).  Is that the way it works?....not showing the actual word entry, but a portion of the page that the word appears on?  In theory, that could include only the actual word entry, or it could totally miss the word entry, depending on the placement of the desired word entry on that particular TDNT page.

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