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Wayne M. Pask | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 2:16 PM

NB.Mick

See my reply to Milford above.  The Book of Concord by Tappert  (c) 1959 will would not be complete without the two files: The Book of Concord, and The Augsburg Confession, Translated from the Latin.  Milton and I have the same files.  By the Way, the Book of Concord by Kolb and Wengert (Augsburg Fortress, 2000) is constructed the same way, with separate files for the German and Latin versions of the Augsburg Confession.

I know where my files came from Wink I have the original disk from Concordia Publishing House in LLS format. The Files are all currently available on the Logos website.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 2:43 PM

Wayne M. Pask:
 I think that folks who have the The Book of Concord by Tappert will find that they also have The Augsburg Confession,Translated from the Latin.

Definitely not.

Maybe those who bought it on CD-ROM back in "ye olden days" when dinosaurs roamed the earth. This file doesn't even exist on Logos' FTP server for Libronix! (Tappert's Book of Concord does)

Maybe there was an oversight by the transition from CD-ROM distribution to downloads, and CPH only need to provide the file to Logos for those who bought the Theology Collection #4. But actually, the product page never seems to mention it.  

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 2:49 PM

Wayne M. Pask:
I know where my files came from Wink I have the original disk from Concordia Publishing House in LLS format. The Files are all currently available on the Logos website.

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for taking the time to post on this topic. As I mentioned it is not a big deal for me not having the Latin translation as I have access to the hard copy, but like you I would have thought the two resources should go together for the BC to be complete.

I only started using Logos in version 4, so I am not familiar with the files you mention. I have double-checked my library from within Logos 5 (both on the PC and laptop) and cannot find The Book of Concord, and The Augsburg Confession, Translated from the Latin.

Ken suggested maybe emailing Gabe (the Lutheran product manager). I'm happy to do this if someone can give me his email address.

God bless,

Michael

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 2:52 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

                                              ............    and God Bless You!            *smile*                     You sound like a very diligent and dedicated young scholar. 

Thanks for your kind words Milford, but only half right Wink This is my second calling after years in engineering Smile

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 3:07 PM

Wayne M. Pask:
I have the original disk from Concordia Publishing House in LLS format. The Files are all currently available on the Logos website.

I ordered the Concordia Electronic Theological Library: Collection 4 (4 vols.) on Sept 19, 2012 and received a download. The links to the corresponding Libronix files, which reside on the FTP server are:

 

so it seems ACMIRROR.lbxlls is missing. And I checked the server, it's not there. While I saw the translation from Latin mentioned in the BoC introduction and CA introduction, I didn't assume this meant a separate file, since deviations between the Latin and the German Vorlage are indicated by footnotes.

Maybe if you can supply a listing of the lbxlls-Files on the CD, someone from Logos can team up with CPH and clarify.

Blessings,

Mick 

 

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Wayne M. Pask | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 4:56 PM

NB

For sure the product page never seems to mention it.  It was not mentioned by Concordia Publishing house in their original listings for the CD Edition.

I'm not using the libronix edition. I am using Logos 5 and both files are available. 

I believe the editors at that time believed the astute student of such august documents would surely read the foot notes in the electronic edition!  This is what they say:

From the first page of Augsburg Confession at the First Article in the resource named: The Book of Concord:  (Logos 5 edition!)

Articles of Faith and Doctrine1

I. [God]2

1 We unanimously hold and teach, in accordance with the decree of the Council of Nicaea,3

2 that there is one divine essence, which is called [1]

 



1 The print edition of The Book of Concord contains two versions of the Augsburg Confession. The version presented below is the English translation based on the German text of the Augsburg Confession. Mr. Tappert also presents an English translation based on the Latin text of the Augsburg Confession. The translation from the Latin is also available with the title of The Augsburg Confession, Translated from the Latin. Note that the English translation from the Latin will scroll synchronously with this volume, simply use the “link” button in the book window to link the texts together for synchronous scrolling.

2 The titles of some articles, here enclosed in square brackets, were inserted in and after 1533.

3 The Nicene Creed

[1] The Book of Concord the Confessions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church., ed. Theodore G. Tappert (Philadelphia: Mühlenberg Press, 1959). 27.

From the First Page of The Augsburg Confession: Translated from the Latin

Chief Articles of Faith1

 

I. [God]2

1 Our churches teach with great [1]



1 The print edition of The Book of Concord contains two versions of the Augsburg Confession. The version presented below is the English translation based on the Latin text of the Augsburg Confession. Mr. Tappert also presents an English translation based on the German text of the Augsburg Confession. The translation based on the German is also available within the The Book of Concord. Note that the English translation from the German will scroll synchronously with this volume, simply use the “link” button in the book window to link the texts together for synchronous scrolling.

2 The titles of some articles, here enclosed in square brackets, were inserted in and after 1533.

[1] Theodore G. Tappert, The Augsburg Confession: Translated from the Latin (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1959).

The same System of a separate file was used by Fortress Press in the translation Latin version of the Augsburg Confession.

I certain that our friend, Michael, in Indiana who asked the first question will find the answer when he talks to the good folks at Logos.

By the way, How are you reading the Tappert edition of the Book of Concord? Have you checked your library for "The Augsburg Confession: Translated from the Latin"  ?  Maybe you do have it too!

Have a blessed Lord's day!

Wayne

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 4 2013 7:27 PM

Michael:
Ken suggested maybe emailing Gabe (the Lutheran product manager). I'm happy to do this if someone can give me his email address.

He gives his email at http://community.logos.com/forums/t/69709.aspx

SDG

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 5:35 AM

Wayne M. Pask:
Have you checked your library for "The Augsburg Confession: Translated from the Latin"  ?  Maybe you do have it too!

No, I don't. 

I just sent a mail to Gabe, summarizing what we found so far:

Hello Gabe,

just a short introduction, I’m a Logos Forum MVP posting as NB.Mick. I’m writing to you in your capacity as Lutheran product manager.

In a recent thread http://community.logos.com/forums/t/69556.aspx we discovered that the Tappert edition of BoC (http://www.logos.com/product/21068/the-book-of-concord ) should consist of two Logos files, one (BKCONCRD.lbxlls – LLS:16.0.10 ) containing all the BoC files including the translation of Confessio Augustana from the German text, with a second file for the translation of CA from the Latin text (named ACMIRROR.lbxlls - LLS:16.0.11 ) . This setup was chosen to allow scrolling both texts in parallel and text in the resource explicitly refers to this way of using it, mimicking a two-column format in the printed edition. This way of distributing the CA has also been used for the Kolb-Wenger edition of BoC

Back when this resource was shipped on CD-ROM (e.g. as part of the Concordia Electronic Theological Library or of Luther’s Works), both files were included. It seems that when delivery was changed to electronic downloads, this file was overlooked and is not part of the download (and also not available on the FTP server, if I looked correctly). Could you please clarify this with Fortress or Concordia and make the file available?

Thanks a lot!

Mick  

Maybe he'll chime in on this thread - if he answers me directly, I'll let you know.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 5:38 AM

Well-Done, Mick!     Nicely written!             It's just not fair that I and some others should have this resource and you and some others not have it because you ordered it at a later date after and omissions error (mistake!)     had occurred.....

                                                                                                        Peace!           *smile*

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 5:43 AM

Not to muddy the waters, but as I do happen to have both the resources ACMIRROR and BKCONCRD - They do NOT scroll in unison for me. I set both up using Link set A, I can scroll one, nothing on the other; I can click on a new section in the TOC of one, no movement in the other. I tried starting from both documents. Are you sure they scroll together? They do both have the "Book of Concord" index.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 5:46 AM

Peace, Don!               I think they were designed to "scroll" in the old Libronix platform and thus not likely to scroll with my Logos 5.0.   Unfortunately, but not surprising!    *smile*               No big deal, eh???                             

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Michael | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 6:19 AM

NB.Mick:
I just sent a mail to Gabe, summarizing what we found so far:

You beat me to it Mick, thanks very much. A much better email than I could have written anyway Big Smile

I look forward to hearing Gabe's response.

Thanks again,

Michael

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 6:37 AM

Milford Charles Murray:
No big deal, eh???    

No, no big deal at all - I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something incorrect. Thank you Milford!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 6:39 AM

No, actually ...   Thank you, Don!               It's very good to have ALL matters  "on the table"!                                 Blessings!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 6:52 AM

Milford Charles Murray:
I think they were designed to "scroll" in the old Libronix platform and thus not likely to scroll with my Logos 5.0.   Unfortunately, but not surprising! 

Milford, it does surprise me - the scrolling is based in indexes, and what scrolled in Libronix should scroll here as well. Did you check if it works (maybe Don used a link set that had a bible included and thus the index didn't work)?

It seems I understand Wayne above that they do scroll for him under L5.

Also, one short update (also for Gabe if you should be looking), Logos has the file on their servers someplace - at least the preview-version - and seemingly hasn't shipped the licence with the Theology Collection:

Wayne or anybody, can you clarify the scrolling/non scolling mystery?

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 7:03 AM

Peace, Mick!             My wife and I are heading out in a few seconds for Divine Service and then a few other things....l

                Thanks for your post!             I'll examine this very carefully later today!                                                                    *smile*

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 11:32 AM

To answer one question  I did just have the two resources up and LInked through A. I thought it should work since they had a common index, the Concord Index. But they do not scroll together on my computer! If someone else sees differently, please post!

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 11:47 AM

NB.Mick:
Milford, it does surprise me - the scrolling is based in indexes, and what scrolled in Libronix should scroll here as well. Did you check if it works (maybe Don used a link set that had a bible included and thus the index didn't work)?

I seem to remember it NOT working in my libronix setup, years back...

I own both the Tappert and K-W in Logos (and in print too, but that isn't really relevant).  I got both in CD's, and so have a separate translation of the Latin in both of them.

For the Tappart - in the main text, including the translation of the German AC, it seems to be tagged fairly well for the BookOfConcord datatype. There are a few paragraphs that seemed to be skipped in the Apology, but they actually don't seem to exist in the datatype for some reason (links TO that datatype are rejected in the Personal Book compiler)..

However, for the translation from the Latin in Tappert, the first (and only?) tag in the Book of Concord datatype seems to be AC: II.  In the translation from the German, that tag takes us to the beginning of the Abuse articles - which makes sense.  So it appears to have only one tag for the datatype, and the one tag it seems to have is in the wrong place.

On the other hand, for the Kolb-Wengert, AC: I takes you to the PREFACE in the main work (translation of the German AC) but to the beginning of the Doctrinal articles of the translation of the Latin.  The good news is that this Latin tagging matches up with the tagging of the German from Tappert, so I can actually scroll them together if I want to.  But the tagging throughout the German based text in the K-W is lacking.  In addition, the paragraphs are not numbered ANYWHERE in K-W in the main text, and the tagging is near non-existent in the Apology...

I hope that this can be rectified at some point...

SDG

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 2:38 PM

Wayne M. Pask:

Good Morning Michael,

 

The print version of Tappert's Book of Concord' Augsburg confess on has the text of the English translation of the German text on the top of the page, separated by a solid line from the English translation of the Augsburg on the lower half part of the page. In the electronic edition, you open both resources, The book of Concord, and the Augsburg Confession and link them. They then scroll together. 

Here is the info for the Augsburg from my library: 

LLS:16.0.11
2002-08-08T19:04:44Z
acmirror.lbxlls

Blessings to you as you continue your studies.

Wayne

Hi Wayne!            I cannot get my two resources to scroll together ...    Would you please try again and report what you see  ....     and give some instruction please!    *smile*

        What does happen if I link both resources to a letter (here "B") is that the Latin Resource will "zap" back to the beginning of the Augsburg Confession  ...            so I get that very limited action, but no real scrolling ...    

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 5 2013 3:14 PM

Of course, by picking the right versions, I can get this to scroll together

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