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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2013 12:19 AM

L6 wish list?

1. Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor.

They should be able to get a 30% +/- boost (well I should on my chip). Most everyone has more than one core now and so would see some benefit from this.

2. I would like a more intuitive tagging system, something like collections. OR make collection categories show up like tags... Either way would suit me fine.

3. I desperately want to be able to link Video and audio files in PBB's. As I study a topic I find mp3/4's of sermons that apply. I save the files... Would love to be able to have a specific type of PBB for these types of things, and be able to enter in some meta data (Sermon Title, Preacher, Church, Denominational affiliation, Scripture passage, and key words for the topic. PLUS I have downloaded terabytes of .mov files of online classes offered by my seminary. Having them in Logos (even if its just a link that launches my systems default application for the file type being called) would be fantastic. 

This list is not a prioritized list. #3 is probably my most wanted feature, followed by 1, then 2.




I heard a rumor a few months back that when Windows 9 releases it will only run on and support 64 bits. No more x86 software... Who knows if its true... Hopefully Logos is x64.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2013 1:59 AM

abondservant:

L6 wish list?

1. Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor.

Yes  Add to this some kind of aggressive memory use / memory caching policy, and there should be a very noticeable increase in speed.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 13 2013 2:55 AM

abondservant:
Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor.

Logos has been multi-threaded at least since L4.

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James E West | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 6:19 AM

Sorry multipost

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James E West | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 6:32 AM

Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else.

Blessings,

James

p.s. 

Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating:

"Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post."

I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work.  Confusing huh.  I know.  I thought the reply button would work also.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 6:44 AM
James E West:

Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else.

Blessings,

James

p.s. 

Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating:

"Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post."

I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work.  Confusing huh.  I know.  I thought the reply button would work also.

Your emailed copy of EVERY post will have the notice that "Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums" so you did not need to repost.

The base engine is always free. Your friend could have upgraded to L5 with no additional outlay of funds and no loss of functionality. The only thing missing would be the new features added to various packages or in the Minimal Crossgrade package. When you receive a program without charge, why should you expect to receive extra features, also at no charge, simply because you only recently received a free program? Apparently you have decided that you want quail rather than manna.

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James E West | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 7:11 AM

Sorry again, duplicate post.  Not intentional.  I do not have a way to delete the post, just edit it.  I am having issues with Firefox and am now using Chrome.  Seems to be working better.  At least for now.  Smile

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James E West | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 7:26 AM

George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that.  The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5.

Here is an example.  I have and used Adobe Premiere.  I upgraded to version 5.5.   Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6.  I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out.  There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out.  His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5.  I fine fine for paying for upgrades.  But not when one should not have to.  It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out.  If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so.  Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love.  I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation.

James

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 7:32 AM
James E West:

George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that.  The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5.

Here is an example.  I have and used Adobe Premiere.  I upgraded to version 5.5.   Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6.  I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out.  There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out.  His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5.  I fine fine for paying for upgrades.  But not when one should not have to.  It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out.  If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so.  Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love.  I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation.

James

No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4. He bought RESOURCES. These resources are still usable in either L4 or L5 (both of which are FREE. He can upgrade to L5 with NO CHARGE though he will not have the new features added to L5 unless he either purchases a package containing them or purchases the Minimal Upgrade. Why does everyone today think he is entitled to everything free? This is a welfare society.

george
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James E West | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 7:50 AM

You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4."

So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4.

He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4.  He did say that he bought Logos 4.

Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did?

I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George.

George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead.

I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about.  In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades.  

Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart.

I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful.  You having the last word is fine with me.  I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person.

In Christ,

James

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:00 AM

I think this discussion goes back to the Logos5 rollout where they had carefully mis-named just about everything possible.  

The 'crossgrade' sounds like it's the software (and so Jim would likely be correct). But in actuality, the Logos5 crossgrade was a new package of original language functions that most people don't really need (or want).  But in Logos4, a lot of the functions pre-existed in Libronix, so I'd assume that'd be 'software'.

So today, my 'package' is 'Crossgrade'.  Of course, Logos4 crossgrade or Logos5 crossgrade?  I was smiling as Dave was trying to explain that to a new user.

I'm really hoping Logos6 will include the ability to search the NRSV apocrypha!  Maybe in the Logos6 crossgrade.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:03 AM
James E West:

You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4."

So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4.

He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4.  He did say that he bought Logos 4.

Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did?

I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George.

George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead.

I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about.  In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades.  

Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart.

I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful.  You having the last word is fine with me.  I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person.

In Christ,

James

Am I wrong to assume that when he got [not purchased] L4 he also BOUGHT some resources? The program without resources isn't much good. Let me tell you a story:

The Acme Torch Company has a policy that if you purchase batteries you receive a free flashlight (torch for our Brit friends). The flashlight only works with Acme batteries and Acme batteries don't fit other flashlights. They also have a policy that they will give the original purchaser a free flashlight whenever they upgrade the flashlight. The last upgrade had a strap which enabled the user to hang the flashlight from his wrist (or elsewhere). There was also a new lens for the flashlight which increased the intensity of the light, but that cost extra (even if you bought new batteries and received the new model flashlight). Do you think the purchaser of the batteries with the old flashlight is entitled to the lens free as well as the new flashlight?

george
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Jonathan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:32 AM

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider that we are talking about a new customer, who does not likely understand that the resources are separate from the software, who is used to the way that other software companies function, and who has just spent what is likely the most money he has ever spent on Bible software. Before we accuse people of being welfare customers, perhaps we should consider that he just invested hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, in something that has just become yesterday's latest and greatest. The buyer probably needs to be lovingly educated and shown grace rather than being confronted.

It would also be useful to consider that Logos has a generous refund policy that covers these types of situations. I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.

Seems to me that we need to be more long-suffering and kind.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:36 AM

George Somsel:
Am I wrong to assume that when he got [not purchased] L4 he also BOUGHT some resources? The program without resources isn't much good. Let me tell you a story:

The Acme Torch Company has a policy that if you purchase batteries you receive a free flashlight (torch for our Brit friends). The flashlight only works with Acme batteries and Acme batteries don't fit other flashlights. They also have a policy that they will give the original purchaser a free flashlight whenever they upgrade the flashlight. The last upgrade had a strap which enabled the user to hang the flashlight from his wrist (or elsewhere). There was also a new lens for the flashlight which increased the intensity of the light, but that cost extra (even if you bought new batteries and received the new model flashlight). Do you think the purchaser of the batteries with the old flashlight is entitled to the lens free as well as the new flashlight?

Let me say this in another way. Logos' software has been free. Logos does not charge for its software. What we purchase from Logos is resources - not the software. I did not pay anything for the software. George did not pay anything for the software. You and your friend did not pay anything for the software.

For an example, I purchased the L3 original language package. I did not pay any money to Logos to upgrade to L4 or L5, and yet I am using and running L5.

The program that reads the resources is free.
I hope this helps.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:44 AM
tom:
Let me say this in another way. Logos' software has been free. Logos does not charge for its software. What we purchase from Logos is resources - not the software. I did not pay anything for the software. George did not pay anything for the software. You and your friend did not pay anything for the software.

For an example, I purchased the L3 original language package. I did not pay any money to Logos to upgrade to L4 or L5, and yet I am using and running L5.

The program that reads the resources is free.
I hope this helps.

Let me add one other point, James. Your friend can download and use L5 without charge. The only thing missing will be the "bells and whistles" in the crossgrade.

george
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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 8:52 AM

The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.
Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.
Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:

Jonathan:
I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.

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Jonathan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 9:00 AM

Unix:

The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.
Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.
Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:

Jonathan:
I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.

Yes, that is exactly my point. 30 days is fairly generous for a return policy. However, even the return policy is occasionally stretched in an effort to be generous to customers who are caught in a bad situation. Plus, you would be hard pressed to find another company extending grace to 6 months after purchase. The fact that we can even talk about anything near 6 months is amazing customer service.

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 29 2013 9:07 AM

Yes, this is pretty amazing. At some point Logos has to pay the publisher(s), probably after 31 days - that's why if You return something after 30 days You should talk to sales and ask to change the items for some other item:

Jonathan:
Yes, that is exactly my point. 30 days is fairly generous for a return policy. However, even the return policy is occasionally stretched in an effort to be generous to customers who are caught in a bad situation. [...] The fact that we can even talk about anything near 6 months is amazing customer service.

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Richard Koons | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 5:50 PM

Thanks for the tip stupidly I have been scrolling down wow can see much better now (dumb from texas)

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David Medina | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 30 2013 8:02 PM

I would say, surprise me!

I love what I can currently do with Logos 5 and I cannot think what else can be done. The more I learn how to take advantage of very feature and tool the more I am blown away by it.

But whatever they can think up to make my research and study easier, more accurate and faster would be very welcome.

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